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Flying Fokker

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  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #1

World Cup 2034: Why Fifa's Saudi Arabia coronation is so controversial

Fifa's confirmation of Saudi Arabia hosting the men's 2034 World Cup is one of the most controversial steps football's governing body has ever taken.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #2
You need to change the thread title mate...
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #3
All about the money

Totally pointless to have all of the equality campaigns and rainbow laces then have a world cup in Saudi....
 
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SBAndy

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  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #4
Load of shite. Particularly the fudging of the 2030 edition to make sure an Asian country could host again so soon after Qatar.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #5
Nick said:
All about the money

Totally pointless to have all of the equality campaigns and rainbow laces then have a world cup in Saudi....
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I don’t see why bullshit attitudes in other countries mean we can’t work to improve attitudes in our own.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #6
I'm shocked
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 10, 2024
  • #7
If it's like the boxing and other events I'd imagine it will be a huge success.
 
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nicksar

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #8
Steven Gerrard to manage the team just for the tournament
 

fatso

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #9
SBT said:
I don’t see why bullshit attitudes in other countries mean we can’t work to improve attitudes in our own.
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But it does highlight the absolute hypocrisy of it all.
At the end of the day, money talks, and the games governing body will turn a blind eye to years of human rights abuses, if enough money is involved.
 
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Otis

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #10
I am getting a bit peed off with it all now.

Any atrocities and human rights violations, in terms of anti women/anti gay, stances within a regime, seem to count for nothing.

Just about the money and only the money.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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Skyblueweeman said:
You need to change the thread title mate...
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Sorry. Can you elaborate?
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #12
Nick said:
All about the money

Totally pointless to have all of the equality campaigns and rainbow laces then have a world cup in Saudi....
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And Oil. Countries need to make a decision to boycott immediately.
 

ccfctommy

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #13
Its rigged. FIFA gave applicants 28 days to bid for the event. Australia therefore withdrew.

The stadiums in Saudi are not even built yet.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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ccfctommy said:
Its rigged. FIFA gave applicants 28 days to bid for the event. Australia therefore withdrew.

The stadiums in Saudi are not even built yet.
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Hope they've got good supply lines on concrete and other essentials new stadiums and a development running through it's middle,and labour wonder where that will come from, might get a bit difficult to achieve 1.5 M dwellings for the home market, then again can't see builder's rates dropping anytime soon!
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #15
Captain Kier's just been out there strengthening relationships and sorting out his free tickets.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #16
It's a fucking disgrace!
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #17
rob9872 said:
Captain Kier's just been out there strengthening relationships and sorting out his free tickets.
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Just a ticket, not a box, imagine the comedown,that rarified air up there is to thin mate,oh bugger that's him done I've just realised it after two terms!🫣
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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fatso said:
But it does highlight the absolute hypocrisy of it all.
At the end of the day, money talks, and the games governing body will turn a blind eye to years of human rights abuses, if enough money is involved.
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I think it makes campaigns for LGBT equality in the game more important than ever.

A boycott of this tournament in the name of gay and trans rights would be laudable. I also think if you’re keen to make a fuss about gay and trans rights and human rights abuses for this tournament, then you should consider doing the same for the one in 2026. And maybe speaking up for them at home too.
 

ccfctommy

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #19
Here is a good article

Fifa’s Infantino and Saudi Arabia 1, Football and human decency 0 | Jonathan Wilson

The World Cup has never seemed quite so far from its founder’s ideals as it does now with the confirmation of the 2034 hosts
www.theguardian.com
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #20
Otis said:
I am getting a bit peed off with it all now.

Any atrocities and human rights violations, in terms of anti women/anti gay, stances within a regime, seem to count for nothing.

Just about the money and only the money.
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But we've been in balls deep with the Saudis for decades.
Starmer is over there courting them as we speak.

Why should football be the ones to take a moral stand?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #21
Genuinely don’t think England will host it in my lifetime, whereas the US will probably have it 3 or 4 times, head chopping oil barons now twice etc etc.
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #22
Why single the criticism out for this? FIFA has been corrupt for as long as I can remember, it's always been about the money.

Fans, players, history, schedules, nah fek em .... but some of the LGBT community might not like this ...yeah let's protest.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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rob9872 said:
Why single the criticism out for this? FIFA has been corrupt for as long as I can remember, it's always been about the money.

Fans, players, history, schedules, nah fek em .... but some of the LGBT community might not like this ...yeah let's protest.
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Awarding the WC used to be about growing the game in different parts of the world, hence it going to the US, Japan/South Korea, South Africa. The awards from Russia onwards have just openly been about ££££.

Thought for a long time Australia should have had it
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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SBAndy said:
Load of shite. Particularly the fudging of the 2030 edition to make sure an Asian country could host again so soon after Qatar.
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Morocco is in Africa
 

SBAndy

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #25
alexccfc99 said:
Morocco is in Africa
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It is. My point being they’ve deliberately set 2030 across South America, Europe and Africa so they can place 2034 back in Asia (Saudi).
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Awarding the WC used to be about growing the game in different parts of the world, hence it going to the US, Japan/South Korea, South Africa. The awards from Russia onwards have just openly been about ££££.

Thought for a long time Australia should have had it
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The World Cups in Japan/SK and the US weren’t about money?

The uncomfortable reality is that if you genuinely want the World Cup to be staged in places where it will be “about growing the game in different parts of the world” then you have to accept that most other places (and certainly most other prospective hosts) don’t share the same values as the UK.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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SBT said:
The World Cups in Japan/SK and the US weren’t about money?

The uncomfortable reality is that if you genuinely want the World Cup to be staged in places where it will be “about growing the game in different parts of the world” then you have to accept that most other places (and certainly most other prospective hosts) don’t share the same values as the UK.
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Football was growing in popularity in those countries. Similarly it has been in Australia for a long time.

Qatar demolished the stadia straight after the tournament. Not even a pretence of growing the game there.
 

Frank Sidebottom

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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ccfctommy said:
Its rigged. FIFA gave applicants 28 days to bid for the event. Australia therefore withdrew.

The stadiums in Saudi are not even built yet.
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They haven't even built one of the host Cities yet!!!
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #29
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Football was growing in popularity in those countries. Similarly it has been in Australia for a long time.

Qatar demolished the stadia straight after the tournament. Not even a pretence of growing the game there.
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Football is growing in popularity in pretty much every country - what makes Australia so special?

There’s no need to pretend that the 1994 and 2002 tournaments were awarded for anything other than huge commercial interests in western-friendly economies. The issue today is that western economies like the US and Japan/SK subsequently went down the toilet a few years later and no longer see such a compelling case for return of investment in staging mega sporting events.

If you really want to stage the World Cup in a place that captures the growth in football’s popularity then surely you would hold it in sub-Saharan Africa or SE Asia.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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SBT said:
Football is growing in popularity in pretty much every country - what makes Australia so special?

There’s no need to pretend that the 1994 and 2002 tournaments were awarded for anything other than huge commercial interests in western-friendly economies. The issue today is that western economies like the US and Japan/SK subsequently went down the toilet a few years later and no longer see such a compelling case for return of investment in staging mega sporting events.

If you really want to stage the World Cup in a place that captures the growth in football’s popularity then surely you would hold it in sub-Saharan Africa or SE Asia.
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What makes Saudi Arabia and Qatar so special?
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #31
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What makes Saudi Arabia and Qatar so special?
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The same thing that made the US and Japan special 20-30 years ago!
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #32
If anyone thinks previous WC's had nothing to do with money then they probably weren't born. For years there were block votes (mostly under Blatter) where some of the much smaller nations would not only receive watches and luxury trips in exchange for votes, but also schools and hospitals built. It's been one of the most corrupt organisations for as long as I can remember.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Dec 11, 2024
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And I guarantee that no major country will boycott it.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #34
This is worth a read

Amazon.co.uk

I read it when it originally came out under the title 'Badfellas' but its now been updated.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Dec 11, 2024
  • #35
It's not just about money and corruption, which Infantino said he would put a stop to when he was running for the presidency, it is about the human rights abuses, including in relation to LGBT people and women, as well as the complete ignoring of fossil fuels' contribution to the climate crisis.
I'm not sure there are too many gay/trans rights issues in USA for the 2026 tournament
 
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