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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 15, 2020
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Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right
www.google.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #2
I’m just amazed Stephen Yaxley-Lennon hasn’t uncovered this in his investigations.
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #3
1) showing one set of cunts to be in greater number than another set of cunts is not an endorsement. Cunts are cunts whatever their background.
2) It's the Guardian so I'm not surprised to read that
3) we all know Robinsons real name, but I do find it strange that so many find the way to try and take the high ground is to use his real name. Criticise what he stands for by all means, otherwise it simply smacks of childlike desperation to constantly use it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #4
The mail’s version

Home Office finds child grooming gang offenders' backgrounds

A Home Office review into child grooming gangs has found offenders come from a diverse background - but poor data collection failed victims as it did not include characteristics including ethnicity.
www.google.co.uk
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #5
Independents version

Grooming gangs come from ‘diverse backgrounds’, says Home Office as review finally published

Report says that although high-profile cases involve Pakistani men, existing evidence does not prove a link to ethnicity
www.independent.co.uk
 

Otis

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #6
Sky Blue Pete said:

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right
www.google.co.uk
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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #7
To be honest it shouldn't matter whether they're white, Brown, Black or whatever.
The police should pursue them aggressively and the courts should come down on them like a ton of bricks - vermin
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #8
clint van damme said:
To be honest it shouldn't matter whether they're white, Brown, Black or whatever.
The police should pursue them aggressively and the courts should come down on them like a ton of bricks - vermin
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This! So much better than cheap point scoring for any agenda.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #9
rob9872 said:
This! So much better than cheap point scoring for any agenda.
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There’s an entire political movement based on the cheap point scoring.... you know the ones saying we’re all trapped under Muslamic law.
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #10
Ian1779 said:
There’s an entire political movement based on the cheap point scoring.... you know the ones saying we’re all trapped under Muslamic law.
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And as if by magic, Ian appears with a political twist. Hopefully see you on the Huddersfield thread tomorrow (that's Coventry v Huddersfield in association football in case you'd forgotten whilst this place existed )
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #11
rob9872 said:
And as if by magic, Ian appears with a political twist. Hopefully see you on the Huddersfield thread tomorrow (that's Coventry v Huddersfield in association football in case you'd forgotten whilst this place existed )
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And as if by magic you conveniently forgot your opening 3 point salvo.
You may see me, or I may just concentrate on watching the game that I’ve subscribed to - unless of course it’s mandatory to justify where and how I choose to post and use this site
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #12
rob9872 said:
1) showing one set of cunts to be in greater number than another set of cunts is not an endorsement. Cunts are cunts whatever their background.
2) It's the Guardian so I'm not surprised to read that
3) we all know Robinsons real name, but I do find it strange that so many find the way to try and take the high ground is to use his real name. Criticise what he stands for by all means, otherwise it simply smacks of childlike desperation to constantly use it.
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Not sure how addressing someone by their real name rather than their made up name can be described as childish. I stopped calling my mates by the made names we called each other at school around the time I reached adulthood. Pretty standard behaviour in the adult world.
 
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rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #13
Ian1779 said:
And as if by magic you conveniently forgot your opening 3 point salvo.
You may see me, or I may just concentrate on watching the game that I’ve subscribed to - unless of course it’s mandatory to justify where and how I choose to post and use this site
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Is it on ifollow too? Thought we had to watch through sky if it was on there. As much as Clive and Oggy are annoying I'd prefer them over probably Lee Hendrie or someone.
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #14
skybluetony176 said:
Not sure how addressing someone by their real name rather than their made up name can be described as childish. I stopped calling my mates by the made names we called each other at school around the time I reached adulthood. Pretty standard behaviour in the adult world.
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I'll suspect you're inconsistent with that, particularly on celebs and only reserve it for ones you take a dislike to, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #15
rob9872 said:
Is it on ifollow too? Thought we had to watch through sky if it was on there. As much as Clive and Oggy are annoying I'd prefer them over probably Lee Hendrie or someone.
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Sky only works I believe when it’s Champions League nights I think...
 

Otis

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #16
Ian1779 said:
There’s an entire political movement based on the cheap point scoring.... you know the ones saying we’re all trapped under Muslamic law.
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I think you mean Sharia Labeouf law
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #17
Ian1779 said:
Sky only works I believe when it’s Champions League nights I think...
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I thought we were actually on sky tomorrow though so I was more concerned if we'd have ifollow than sky.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #18
rob9872 said:
I thought we were actually on sky tomorrow though so I was more concerned if we'd have ifollow than sky.
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That’s a bonus then. So there appears to be no logic to when Sky give us the red button option.
 

SBAndy

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #19
Ian1779 said:
That’s a bonus then. So there appears to be no logic to when Sky give us the red button option.
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We’re not on Red Button, we’re on Sky Sports PL.
 

rob9872

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  • Dec 15, 2020
  • #20
Another 100k in the coffers then too ch-ching
 

mark82

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #21
rob9872 said:
I'll suspect you're inconsistent with that, particularly on celebs and only reserve it for ones you take a dislike to, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt
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To be fair, Tommy Robinson is one of many pseudonym's he's used. His name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. That's the name used in his court cases. Not sure what is wrong with using it. It's a strange thing to fixate on.

Whatever you want to call him, he's a vile racist scumbag.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #22
Nonces are nonces regardless of colour.

Looking back when I was at school, you always had the girls getting picked up in cars who were going out with "older lads". Looking back now, it is a bit random why a 19-20 year old would want to go out with a 15 year old. Nobody really batted an eyelid then.

The article says under 30 as well which is surprising as you don't tend to "stereotype" that when you think of a dirty old nonce.

Let them all get a few hidings in prison.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #23
Sky Blue Pete said:

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right
www.google.co.uk
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That’s a pretty odd article actually as it mentions Sarah Champion but not her campaigning and the reason she resigned from her shadow minister role.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 16, 2020
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Nick said:
Nonces are nonces regardless of colour.
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Forum motto?


Nick said:
Looking back when I was at school, you always had the girls getting picked up in cars who were going out with "older lads". Looking back now, it is a bit random why a 19-20 year old would want to go out with a 15 year old. Nobody really batted an eyelid then.
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tbf, I can kind of understand that if you're an immature 19yo and a mature 15yo. I actually feel more uncomfortable with the 30yo going out with the 17yo kind of scenario, when you're definitely old enough to realise they're very young...

Half your age + seven is the rule, I believe
 

Nick

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  • Dec 16, 2020
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Forum motto?




tbf, I can kind of understand that if you're an immature 19yo and a mature 15yo. I actually feel more uncomfortable with the 30yo going out with the 17yo kind of scenario, when you're definitely old enough to realise they're very young...

Half your age + seven is the rule, I believe
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Mrs NW fresh from College then? ha
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 16, 2020
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Nick said:
Mrs NW fresh from College then? ha
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Back when I were in school, you'd have been a social pariah fraternising with somebody in the year below!
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #27
rob9872 said:
I'll suspect you're inconsistent with that, particularly on celebs and only reserve it for ones you take a dislike to, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt
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Yes I’m sure he refers to Prince Henry all the time
 

pastythegreat

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #28
rob9872 said:
Is it on ifollow too? Thought we had to watch through sky if it was on there. As much as Clive and Oggy are annoying I'd prefer them over probably Lee Hendrie or someone.
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That bloke (who's name i dont know or care for) that says Coven'ry. He did the checkatrade final commentary on sky. He annoys the fuck out of me.

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #29
Hmmm. Got to say something doesn’t sit right with me on this. Reading the report here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...nt_data/file/944206/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf

The takeaway seems to be all available data suggests black and Asian ethnicities are over represented, even though a plurality are white. But then says there are data collection issues. Well yeah, but the data we do have says one thing and there’s no obvious reason given to disbelieve it. Unless we assume that all the cases where offender ethnicity wasn’t recorded were white people, but generally you assume missing data acts the same as data you’ve seen unless you’ve a good reason to think otherwise.

When you’ve got a situation where there’s a feeling of political correctness coming before justice, I’m not sure it’s wise to keep plying the same rhetorical games. Honesty and openness needed here, not concern that the facts make a group look bad. If there is an issue in some communities we need to know so we can design interventions that work for that community.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #30
rob9872 said:
1) showing one set of cunts to be in greater number than another set of cunts is not an endorsement. Cunts are cunts whatever their background.
2) It's the Guardian so I'm not surprised to read that
3) we all know Robinsons real name, but I do find it strange that so many find the way to try and take the high ground is to use his real name. Criticise what he stands for by all means, otherwise it simply smacks of childlike desperation to constantly use it.
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Are there any other character actors you take offence at their real name being used over their stage name?
 

Nick

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #31
Robinson is a grade A prick as I have mentioned on other threads over and over.

I see Rob's point though, sometimes it seems like people use it in a "hahaha I know your real name and have something on you to bother you" type way.

Easier to just call him a little shitcunt.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 16, 2020
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tbf, Thick Racist Git would be just as appropriate an identifier for Tommy Robinson.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #33
Nick said:
Robinson is a grade A prick as I have mentioned on other threads over and over.

I see Rob's point though, sometimes it seems like people use it in a "hahaha I know your real name and have something on you to bother you" type way.

Easier to just call him a little shitcunt.
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Fair enough, I think for me and likely some others there’s a refusal to engage in the make believe character being made up. Same for “Boris” TBH. Both have created a character that allows them a certain image they want. Refusing to play along is a way of saying “I’m not buying into that shite”.

Funny how I didn’t expect to be having a discussion about respecting people’s chosen identity on this side
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #34
shmmeee said:
Hmmm. Got to say something doesn’t sit right with me on this. Reading the report here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...nt_data/file/944206/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf

The takeaway seems to be all available data suggests black and Asian ethnicities are over represented, even though a plurality are white. But then says there are data collection issues. Well yeah, but the data we do have says one thing and there’s no obvious reason given to disbelieve it. Unless we assume that all the cases where offender ethnicity wasn’t recorded were white people, but generally you assume missing data acts the same as data you’ve seen unless you’ve a good reason to think otherwise.

When you’ve got a situation where there’s a feeling of political correctness coming before justice, I’m not sure it’s wise to keep plying the same rhetorical games. Honesty and openness needed here, not concern that the facts make a group look bad. If there is an issue in some communities we need to know so we can design interventions that work for that community.
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Yep. Spot on.
The "headlines" seem, shall we say selective, misleading perhaps?
I then double down on the doubt when I read that ethnicity data is missing....hhhmmmm.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 16, 2020
  • #35
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yep. Spot on.
The "headlines" seem, shall we say selective, misleading perhaps?
I then double down on the doubt when I read that ethnicity data is missing....hhhmmmm.
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Yeah, here’s their issues with the data, which seem to rest on an assumption the Police are racist and don’t record white people and incorrectly record Asian people. The “they aren’t Asian they’re Afghani” bit made me laugh.



The outcome of this at best should’ve been “data collection is too poor to make a claim”, but even then they’d have to accept that several investigations have consistently found over representation for some groups.

I’d agree with their concerns on the data, but that doesn’t mean you can just go “racism” and assume completely different data.

I hope that there’s now proper data being collected and a proper report can be done.
 
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