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Women's World Cup 2023 (5 Viewers)

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TomRad85

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #36
SBT said:
Their argument was that the women’s team generated more revenue than the men

US women's soccer games now generate more revenue than men's—but the players still earn less

U.S. women's soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men's games for three consecutive years. That's according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women's games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than...
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Eh? Your national team don't pay your wages do they? Do the clubs the US women play for generate more income than the clubs their male players play for?

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David O'Day

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #37
chiefdave said:
There was a bizarre story on the radio yesterday where they were complaining the England Women's goalkeeper kit isn't available to buy from the official England store. At the end of the piece they threw in that the Mens isn't either
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They messed up that story, the original was that the mens can at least be brought
 

SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #38
chiefdave said:
There was a bizarre story on the radio yesterday where they were complaining the England Women's goalkeeper kit isn't available to buy from the official England store. At the end of the piece they threw in that the Mens isn't either
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The difference being that the men's will be on sale at some point, whereas apparently Nike have said that selling the women's shirts is "not part of their commercial strategy"
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #39
That's the USA men's team. If the girls get more support it's up to their federation to argue parity Vs whatever their lads get paid. Nothing really to do with the global market.
 
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nicksar

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #40
SBT said:
Their argument was that the women’s team generated more revenue than the men

US women's soccer games now generate more revenue than men's—but the players still earn less

U.S. women's soccer games have generated more revenue than U.S. men's games for three consecutive years. That's according to audited financial statements from the U.S. Soccer Federation (USSF) obtained by The Wall Street Journal. In 2016, women's games generated $1.9 million more in revenue than...
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Must admit I don't get that tbh because the Womens average "soccer" attendance is approx half that of the Men's game in the USA.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #41
nicksar said:
Must admit I don't get that tbh because the Womens average "soccer" attendance is approx half that of the Men's game in the USA.
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It's the national team that makes up most of the money
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #42
SkyBlueSoul said:
The difference being that the men's will be on sale at some point, whereas apparently Nike have said that selling the women's shirts is "not part of their commercial strategy"
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Haven't they created their own problem there. Just make the mens and womens the same design
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #43
Interesting VAR call there. No penalty due to an earlier foul, but a yellow given for the tackle that would have been a penalty. Assumed the ball became dead after the first incident. Definitely deserved a card mind.
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #44
TomRad85 said:
Eh? Your national team don't pay your wages do they? Do the clubs the US women play for generate more income than the clubs their male players play for?

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The equal pay debate is about payments made by the national football associations to players for appearances on international duty, it’s got nothing to do with the clubs.

In the case of the USWNT, they argued they generated more money for US Soccer, yet were getting less money back from them in appearance fees/prize money than the men were.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #45
Fully agreed with the no penalty decision. The clamouring online is embarrassing.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #46
SkyBlueSoul said:
Interesting VAR call there. No penalty due to an earlier foul, but a yellow given for the tackle that would have been a penalty. Assumed the ball became dead after the first incident. Definitely deserved a card mind.
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You can be carded when the ball is dead, game doesn't even have to still be going on.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #47
SBT said:
The equal pay debate is about payments made by the national football associations to players for appearances on international duty, it’s got nothing to do with the clubs.

In the case of the USWNT, they argued they generated more money for US Soccer, yet were getting less money back from them in appearance fees/prize money than the men were.
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Women get more of the overall revenue as a percentage from the Women's WC than men do from the Men's WC.

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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #48
David O'Day said:
You can be carded when the ball is dead, game doesn't even have to still be going on.
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Good point, no idea why that confused me lol
 

SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #49
Much more straight forward decision there
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #50
Hahahaha, yeah definite that time.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #51
Gonna be here all bloody day
 

SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #52
I mean fair play, that is an incredible save. Shame she was a yard off the line, great retake.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #53
James and Daly on 2nd half?
 

ccfc922

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #54
RegTheDonk said:
Once they get the gates and ticket money, viewing figures, TV income and associated sponsorship to match the mens game world wide, then they'll have a case.
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Isn't the women's England team/ womens game subsidised by the FA/Mens game at the moment too?
 

Otis

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #55
David O'Day said:
James and Daly on 2nd half?
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Really rate James. Should be in from the start.
 

ccfc922

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #56
Haiti look alright considering England were less than 1/100.
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #57
Which one of them is just Duckens Nazon wearing a syrup?
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #58
Very tough watch that 45.

Open Golf time.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #59
If we keep allowing Haiti to break like they have been doing, we will concede!!
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #60
TomRad85 said:
Women get more of the overall revenue as a percentage from the Women's WC than men do from the Men's WC.

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Well that’s nice if it helps address the pay gap, but the US women’s team clearly disagrees, and it’s a different issue from the one that led to a lawsuit anyway.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #61
SBT said:
Well that’s nice if it helps address the pay gap, but the US women’s team clearly disagrees, and it’s a different issue from the one that led to a lawsuit anyway.
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So the US team is underpaid but all the other nations are overpaid?

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RegTheDonk

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #62
ccfc922 said:
Isn't the women's England team/ womens game subsidised by the FA/Mens game at the moment too?
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Dunno mate I wouldn't be surprised. Think PVA is saying the USA girls are arguing for parity which is fair enough if they are more popular than their men. As long as it's paid via MSL funds or whoever administers US Soccer then that's their business.

How are England doing? Painting the landing.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #63
RegTheDonk said:
Dunno mate I wouldn't be surprised. Think PVA is saying the USA girls are arguing for parity which is fair enough if they are more popular than their men. As long as it's paid via MSL funds or whoever administers US Soccer then that's their business.

How are England doing? Painting the landing.
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It's SBT not PVA and when he starts talking about overpaying being a good thing to bridge a 'pay gap' in a spectator sport you know its just ideological nonsense.

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SBT

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #64
TomRad85 said:
So the US team is underpaid but all the other nations are overpaid?

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I have no idea what every global football association pays its women’s teams, how am I supposed to know? The percentage of WC revenues being paid to the players isn’t even the issue here.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #65
SBT said:
I have no idea what every global football association pays its women’s teams, how am I supposed to know? The percentage of WC revenues being paid to the players isn’t even the issue here.
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Of course that won't be an issue because it's favourable. Its easy to pick and choose your issues.

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SBT

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #66
TomRad85 said:
Of course that won't be an issue because it's favourable. Its easy to pick and choose your issues.

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Well it’s also easy to call an issue nonsense when you pretend it’s actually about something completely different. Not sure what your issue is.
 
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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #67
Only started watching at the beginning of the second half. England look rather lacklustre but I am surprised how good Haiti look. Given the difficulties they will have faced it is an amazing achievement for them to be there and some of their players look really talented.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #68
Lots left to be desired!
 

SBAndy

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #69
In terms of appearance fees I think it’s right that men’s and women’s teams get equivalent. The governing body (FAs) aren’t for-profit entities and should be about furthering the development of the game as a whole. I think the England men’s teams get paid but put it into a charity pot each tournament period.

When it comes to wages from clubs, they’d have to generate the revenue streams to be able to offer pay parity otherwise the game would eat itself inside 6 months.
 
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SkyBlueSoul

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  • Jul 22, 2023
  • #70
Big save that from Earps
 
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