dutchman
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It is for some of us! :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
It is for some of us! :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:Is this still on?
It is for me, because once England are out, I support the USA.Is this still on?
Why is that, assume you are actually American?It is for me, because once England are out, I support the USA.
Same goes for the men's, although the USA are usually out even before England in that.
No, I'm English, born in Coventry but I've lived in the USA longer than I lived in England.Why is that, assume you are actually American?
I don't have any problem with people criticising the quality of women in any sport.Also what gets me (nearly put this in the annoying thread) that no one can criticise the ladies team. Seems okay to rip in to the men but not the ladies. Personally I don’t like needless slagging off without a valid reason but it seems that you cannot say anything such as the poor penalty, poor passing, possession etc without public uproar!
Exactly, i enjoyed a lot of the games but you have to stop comparing to the men’s game however you can still discuss good and bad points of the game. I remember the game for the Olympics at the Ricoh and England were piss poor, couldn’t string two passes together, the game has come on leaps and bounds.I don't have any problem with people criticising the quality of women in any sport.
Personally, I think NOT criticising them is sexist, because it implies they aren't tough enough to take criticism.
What I don't like is when people say they won't watch it just because it's women.
Or, when they compare men with women as though they should play exactly the same.
Someone earlier in this thread made a blanket statement that women goal-keepers are awful.
Well obviously they didn't watch some of the games I've watched.
I've seen several top class saves and no lack of bravery with women goal-keepers diving at the feet of strikers.
What we lack in England (and a lot of Europe, tbf) is a generation of women who have grown up with football as a major women's sport, as they have in the USA. Girls play "sahccer" from an early age because most other team sports are very male-dominated (I'm not aware of women's basketball, baseball, ice hockey or gridiron leagues, certainly not at a high level), and that is all they know - and their technical know-how shows as a result.Exactly, i enjoyed a lot of the games but you have to stop comparing to the men’s game however you can still discuss good and bad points of the game. I remember the game for the Olympics at the Ricoh and England were piss poor, couldn’t string two passes together, the game has come on leaps and bounds.
In the US they do have professional women's basketball and it's a prettty big sport (it is televised). Though 90% of the players are African-American, just like men's basketball. In the US, sports are definitely seen as 'white' sports or 'black' sports. Not to say there isn't some overlap. But it's unusual to see a white basketball player or a black ice-hockey player. American football and soccer are more integrated. The most popular women's sports are basketball, volleyball, soccer and softball (like baseball except pitches are underhand instead of overhand). There's also professional women's ice-hockey but I think that is fairly recent and is only in the northern states.What we lack in England (and a lot of Europe, tbf) is a generation of women who have grown up with football as a major women's sport, as they have in the USA. Girls play "sahccer" from an early age because most other team sports are very male-dominated (I'm not aware of women's basketball, baseball, ice hockey or gridiron leagues, certainly not at a high level), and that is all they know - and their technical know-how shows as a result.
We don't have that yet, but with the increased publicity it's getting over here now, especially with the relative success in the World Cup, it will come. What the WSL clubs need to avoid is (if you'll forgive the phrase) spunking all their cash on expensive overseas "stars" which means that home-grown talent will be overlooked. That's the problem with the men's game too, don't forget.
It's kinda weird/refreshing to hear American women using what you might call English footy vernacular (like the terms "keeper" and "two-nil" - you never hear the word nil in any other US sport). Just like we were chatting about it in the pub.
Thanks G. But do you agree with my point about soccer being in American girls' psyche for much longer than in UK/Europe?In the US they do have professional women's basketball and it's a prettty big sport (it is televised). Though 90% of the players are African-American, just like men's basketball. In the US, sports are definitely seen as 'white' sports or 'black' sports. Not to say there isn't some overlap. But it's unusual to see a white basketball player or a black ice-hockey player. American football and soccer are more integrated. The most popular women's sports are basketball, volleyball, soccer and softball (like baseball except pitches are underhand instead of overhand). There's also professional women's ice-hockey but I think that is fairly recent and is only in the northern states.
Agree it’s a cultural thing. I think wider than the teams ability it’s where the fan base is coming from. For me they need to double up with the men’s game rather than go toe to toe, maybe after premier league games. Appreciate it will keep them in the shadow but will get more regularly out thereWhat we lack in England (and a lot of Europe, tbf) is a generation of women who have grown up with football as a major women's sport, as they have in the USA. Girls play "sahccer" from an early age because most other team sports are very male-dominated (I'm not aware of women's basketball, baseball, ice hockey or gridiron leagues, certainly not at a high level), and that is all they know - and their technical know-how shows as a result.
We don't have that yet, but with the increased publicity it's getting over here now, especially with the relative success in the World Cup, it will come. What the WSL clubs need to avoid is (if you'll forgive the phrase) spunking all their cash on expensive overseas "stars" which means that home-grown talent will be overlooked. That's the problem with the men's game too, don't forget.
It's kinda weird/refreshing to hear American women using what you might call English footy vernacular (like the terms "keeper" and "two-nil" - you never hear the word nil in any other US sport). Just like we were chatting about it in the pub.
At least we have Sunday's final to look forward to.
I'm supporting the USA, so I'm looking forward to it.Well, some of us do! :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
I can't look at her without thinking 'if only she had her nose fixed'.I can't watch that Alex Morgan without thinking of Luther.
Who are they seeking equality with when not all players at a club are paid the same amount, do they want parity with the lowest earner or the highest.US women's team have had their case for equal pay thrown out before it even got to court.
Turns out that they were offered the same deal as the mens team but turned it down and that over the period in question got paid more than the mens team. You'd think that would be the sort of thing you'd check before taking legal action!
just international appearance money and bonuses isn't it?Who are they seeking equality with when not all players at a club are paid the same amount, do they want parity with the lowest earner or the highest.
Unfortunately, they based their case on a non-typical period of time.US women's team have had their case for equal pay thrown out before it even got to court.
Turns out that they were offered the same deal as the mens team but turned it down and that over the period in question got paid more than the mens team. You'd think that would be the sort of thing you'd check before taking legal action!
That's something they seemed to have missed when they launched their legal action. MLS had an attendance of 8,694,584 last year and is self sufficient, the Womens league (NWSL) had an attendance of 792,409 and is subsidised by US Soccer.just international appearance money and bonuses isn't it?
Men's club game bigger than women's in US. only 9 professional women's teams in US , average attendances around 5-6k mark
They had to pick that period of time as its the only way they could claim the women's team generated more than the men since 2018 was the first time since 1986 the mens team didn't qualify for the World Cup.Unfortunately, they based their case on a non-typical period of time.
The men's team failed to qualify for their last WC.
However, the women's team, won their WC.
So over the period of time covered, the women actually earned more.
But there were aspects of the case beyond just wages, so the case will still proceed to court.
It's not over yet.
And regardless of the court outcome, the USSF could still voluntarily give the women a better deal.
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