But not all?
But not all?Many with this condition can’t give birth
But from what I can see many can. If this person is one and they are male then it doesn't make sense.Many with this condition can’t give birth
It's been mentioned. We have certainly been talking about it a lot in our household.A thread on this but not the child rapist competing in the volleyball
But not all?
To be charitable here there is nothing to discuss there. I'm sure everybody is outraged they are able to compete so there is nothing worth a thread, would just be everyone lining up to say nonces are bad.A thread on this but not the child rapist competing in the volleyball
It would be extremely unlikely with the levels reported in this athelete. I’m puzzled by the response on this. The classification is biologically male by the sports bodies.
@Skyblueweeman likes thisWhat next, stop tall people from playing basketball?
The response is due to the victory laps by some that the Olympics let men box women due to “wokery”. The same people have been saying that sex is binary and not allowing nuanced discussion to take place. This stance has directly led the this situation because externally the athlete presents as female. What seems to be the case is the individual has an intersex condition and could be categorised either sex dependent upon what is used to categorise.It would be extremely unlikely with the levels reported in this athelete. I’m puzzled by the response on this. The classification is biologically male by the sports bodies.
This is what I am getting at but more succinct.But from what I can see many can. If this person is one and they are male then it doesn't make sense.
From what I can tell, and I'm open to seeing anything that will change my mind, they are either female or the binary thing is a nonsense and they are intersex.
I know people are trying to give definitive answers, but to me, this is anything but clear cut. I truly can see both sides.
I do also think there would be much more clear argument to find had this boxer been winning all her fights, therefore showing a very distinct advantage.
She's not been.
I'm not sure. Some of the soyboy cucks on here have female testosterone levelThe normal range for testosterone in a female is well below the range in a male.
So this is a non starter. A male cannot reduce his testosterone to a female level.
The normal range for testosterone in a female is well below the range in a male.
So this is a non starter. A male cannot reduce his testosterone to a female level.
If the 2 boxers failed the gender tests how do you conclude that they are women? Please explain.
Try to do so without mentioning the red herring of testosterone.
I’d like to see the science around that conclusion. Does this mean that some males will have a higher lever of female hormones?The normal range for testosterone in a female is well below the range in a male.
So this is a non starter. A male cannot reduce his testosterone to a female level.
There calling her a biological male as they are saying she has an xy chromosome i believeYeah, that's the way I see it.
Not the way the Mail are reporting it though.
She WAS born a woman, right? And has continued to be so.
The Mail are calling her a biological male
Yes but also saying it’s due to wokeness. It’s not. It’s an edge case where assignment of sex is not straight forward.There calling her a biological male as they are saying she has an xy chromosome i believe
Yes but also saying it’s due to wokeness. It’s not. It’s an edge case where assignment of sex is not straight forward.
Nothing, that my point? But that was the claim of the Mail linked earlier in thread.What has wokeness to do with anything?
Mainly agree but don’t think any of this is down to worrying about the feelings of intersex athletes but that some parties are trying to force the sex is binary and based on your genitalia argument. This case shows why that is a dumb stance and nuance is required.Sorry, long post and long-time lurker!
The issue of identifying as a woman might be 'nuanced' overall, in other contexts and in social settings etc, but if there's any area where we have to make it as simple as possible and have sex segregated competition for safety reasons, it's sport. This athlete has xy chromosomes, they are biologically male and will have had the advantages of elevated testosterone levels and a male puberty. Even if those levels are acceptable now to compete against women, they will still have gained strength advantages i.e lots of men have low testosterone but they are still outwardly stronger than women.
The example people are giving of taller women in competitions etc isn't comparative to the advantage male levels of testosterone would give, I don't think anyone has an issue about the variance within sex segregated categories - we can't have competitions of people exactly the same but we can have some basic markers...that they're biologically female being one.
It's being made a 'complicated' area for the feelings of a very very very few number of intersex athletes and it becomes unfair for everyone. It's sad on a personal level for the athlete but I'm more sad for biological women that have to compete against someone with male biological advantage and teammates of the same country who have missed out on a place at the Olympics because of a biological male taking their place. It may be unfortunate for the athlete at hand but for the overall category and fairness of women's sport it's necessary to make things as simple as possible tests to determine sex, for the sake of women's sport.
Unfortunately I suspect that a lot of foul play happens where intersex athletes are encouraged to press on into female categories because of this 'confusion' and the desire and status to win for countries/trainers etc - it's a disservice to the athletes for the invasive way their body and privacy is then discussed and the overall sport for turning this into a 'confusion' that could be avoided.
The normal range for testosterone in a female is well below the range in a male.
So this is a non starter. A male cannot reduce his testosterone to a female level.
Please explain.
Try to do so without mentioning the red herring of testosterone.
The athlete in question has XY chromosomes and has failed the IOC's 'gender test' yet is still allowed to compete.I may be really dense here but from what I can see there is just one woman with a higher testosterone count beating another. Isn't that going to happen throughout these games?
The Algerian boxer is a woman, always has been and can get pregnant and have children like any other fertile biological woman. They are from a country with no LGBT rights where changing gender is illegal and it has been reported there are no trans women competing at the games.
I completely appreciate there is an argument to be had about protecting women's sport but I honestly don't see the issue here. Can someone help?
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