Will they ever go? (1 Viewer)

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

And if so, when?

This much is clear:

- They will never get a return on their investment

- They will never get the Ricoh Arena

- They lost JR1

- They will lose JR2.

- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy

- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)

So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.

They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.

But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 25, 2017

Just a repeating nightmare. Absolute wankers

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

robbiekeane said:
And if so, when?

This much is clear:

- They will never get a return on their investment

- They will never get the Ricoh Arena

- They lost JR1

- They will lose JR2.

- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy

- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)

So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.

They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.

But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome

Breaking even doesn't work in football. You need investment if you want to get anywhere.

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

Cavan O'Doherty said:
Breaking even doesn't work in football. You need investment if you want to get anywhere.

You do realise the term investment infers a return at some point don't you?

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

robbiekeane said:
You do realise the term investment infers a return at some point don't you?

Would they not get a return if we went up and got the Tv money from the championship? Football clubs don't succeed unless money is pumped into them. It's the way things are I'm afraid. Breaking even is a good business model to have in any business except for a football club

Ian1779 · Feb 25, 2017

Cavan O'Doherty said:
Would they not get a return if we went up and got the Tv money from the championship? Football clubs don't succeed unless money is pumped into them. It's the way things are I'm afraid. Breaking even is a good business model to have in any business except for a football club

It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 25, 2017

robbiekeane said:
And if so, when?

This much is clear:

- They will never get a return on their investment

- They will never get the Ricoh Arena

- They lost JR1

- They will lose JR2.

- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy

- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)

So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.

They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.

But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome

Don't disagree about the break even idea. Investing in football is really another term for donating. However their form of break even is simply cost cutting. They do absolutely nothing to increase turnover and so increase the break even figure. Portsmouth operate on a break even system that is as different as chalk and cheese when compared to Sisu's version. Portsmouth owners care about their club.
Completely disagree about Tony Mowbray. Far from an idiot, a real genuine and honourable football man who deservered to work for better people than the charlatans, the real idiots, who supposedly run our club.

hill83 · Feb 25, 2017

Ian1779 said:
It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.

As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.

Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.

Senior Vick from Alicante · Feb 25, 2017

The only reason managers have signed absolute dross is because thats what the budget allows and in this i am refering to permanant signings. The nature of their business is to asset strip for a profit, they will ring the very last penny they can get by sweating the assets. The only lines of income left are Ryton and player sales, one would think return on players will be minimal so this summer is crucial. Other income would come from damages from JR2 if they can prove their was a dodgy deal. If they are still here next season i can only see a youth team being put out to satisfy league requirements whilst they decide the end game as budgets will be dictated by the lack of ticket sales. We are a number in a ledger at the moment thats not costing them anything other than reputational harm, but to some any publicity is good publicity. Fisher is the only one earning from our plight despite saying he doesnt earn a penny, you dont take dogs abuse for nothing. Roll on the summer eh.

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 25, 2017

Ian1779 said:
It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.

If Portsmouth can do it, can't we?

Ian1779 · Feb 25, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
If Portsmouth can do it, can't we?

You need a ground to buy and a supportive council in the first instance.

We're fucked.

Houchens Head · Feb 25, 2017

"......We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time."
5 years? That's generous!

Houchens Head · Feb 25, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
If Portsmouth can do it, can't we?

They're still in Division 4 though!

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 25, 2017

hill83 said:
As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.

Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.

The Trust meeting showed how fan ownership can work. It also doesn't mean being fan owned forever. It could be an interim move once Sisu have gone.

shmmeee · Feb 25, 2017

I think a big part is the culture of the club. We've lost that "football culture". Who the fuck is Tim Fisher? A banker IIRC, what experience has he got in football? Brody? Seppala? Igwe?

Since Ranson went who has had that link the the game? Anderson maybe? He's basically an accountant though.

Also the culture feeds down from the top. Sisu don't understand or care about football or CCFC, they don't appoint people who do, why would the rest of the staff?

While I do think we will probably need investment, lack of investment alone isn't half of the problem. We could do a damn sight better on the same budget.

hill83 · Feb 25, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
The Trust meeting showed how fan ownership can work. It also doesn't mean being fan owned forever. It could be an interim move once Sisu have gone.

Fair enough. I hope it would work. But at the moment as a group of fans we can't even decide on a protest, never mind running a club.

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

Ian1779 said:
It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.

At least the fans interests would be at heart

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

Cavan O'Doherty said:
Would they not get a return if we went up and got the Tv money from the championship? Football clubs don't succeed unless money is pumped into them. It's the way things are I'm afraid. Breaking even is a good business model to have in any business except for a football club

I'm which case we would be worse than breaking even then wouldn't we? We would be making profit which if they took to get a return they would be slated for? Whoever "they" may be.

Just say donations not investment because that's what you mean

shmmeee · Feb 25, 2017

hill83 said:
Fair enough. I hope it would work. But at the moment as a group of fans we can't even decide on a protest, never mind running a club.

Fans wouldn't need to be literally running the club. You own it and elect someone to run it.

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

Houchens Head said:
They're still in Division 4 though!

So are we!

hill83 · Feb 25, 2017

shmmeee said:
Fans wouldn't need to be literally running the club. You own it and elect someone to run it.

I elect Dave from the Wheatsheaf.

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 25, 2017

Houchens Head said:
They're still in Division 4 though!

But building all of the time. Foundations are being laid for them to move forward. 16 k average gates 12k season ticket holders. Buying land around Fratton Park for training facilities. A far better model than the one now inflicted upon us.
What is the translation of your Gaelic tag by the way? Where were your family from? Mine were from Wicklow.

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

robbiekeane said:
I'm which case we would be worse than breaking even then wouldn't we? We would be making profit which if they took to get a return they would be slated for? Whoever "they" may be.

Just say donations not investment because that's what you mean

Let's just pick fault with whatever I say:banghead:

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

Senior Vick from Alicante said:
The only reason managers have signed absolute dross is because thats what the budget allows and in this i am refering to permanant signings. The nature of their business is to asset strip for a profit, they will ring the very last penny they can get by sweating the assets. The only lines of income left are Ryton and player sales, one would think return on players will be minimal so this summer is crucial. Other income would come from damages from JR2 if they can prove their was a dodgy deal. If they are still here next season i can only see a youth team being put out to satisfy league requirements whilst they decide the end game as budgets will be dictated by the lack of ticket sales. We are a number in a ledger at the moment thats not costing them anything other than reputational harm, but to some any publicity is good publicity. Fisher is the only one earning from our plight despite saying he doesnt earn a penny, you dont take dogs abuse for nothing. Roll on the summer eh.

You do realise they've lost millions and millions on this clusterfuck of an investment don't you? Not exactly ringing every last penny out is t

And no I don't think it's just down to the budget. Players like Joe Cole, bigi, Reid, Yakubu are or were all dog shit and wouldn't have been cheap.

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

Cavan O'Doherty said:
Let's just pick fault with whatever I say:banghead:

Well no but when your post is pretty much oxymoronic I'm going to call you out for it. Don't cry

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

shmmeee said:
I think a big part is the culture of the club. We've lost that "football culture". Who the fuck is Tim Fisher? A banker IIRC, what experience has he got in football? Brody? Seppala? Igwe?

Since Ranson went who has had that link the the game? Anderson maybe? He's basically an accountant though.

Also the culture feeds down from the top. Sisu don't understand or care about football or CCFC, they don't appoint people who do, why would the rest of the staff?

While I do think we will probably need investment, lack of investment alone isn't half of the problem. We could do a damn sight better on the same budget.

Agree. Owners have to care about the club and football in general. At the very least they have to hire someone to run the club who does

dongonzalos · Feb 25, 2017

JR2 lost after two appeals
Ryton sold and us renting pitches for a lower status category academy.
Lower half of division 4
Any player that can be sold will be sold.
Then accept any bid ircgo into administration.
2.5 years tops.

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 25, 2017

hill83 said:
Fair enough. I hope it would work. But at the moment as a group of fans we can't even decide on a protest, never mind running a club.

One of the things that the Portsmouth guy said was to expect the fact that you will never have 100% agreement . You will never carry everyone with you and that there will always be dissenting voices.

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

robbiekeane said:
Well no but when your post is pretty much oxymoronic I'm going to call you out for it. Don't cry

What are you on about? All I said was that a football club needs investment, donations, handouts whatever you want to call it, which is correct. Give me an example of a team that is run on a break even basis that is successful.

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

hill83 said:
As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.

Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.

I'd rather have you and Dave from the Wheatsheaf running the club to be honest!

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

Cavan O'Doherty said:
What are you on about? All I said was that a football club needs investment, donations, handouts whatever you want to call it, which is correct. Give me an example of a team that is run on a break even basis that is successful.

Completely different.

covcity4life · Feb 25, 2017

Stop going games and hope they fuck off

After wembley and ST runs out of course...

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

robbiekeane said:
Completely different.

:emoji_thumbsup:

robbiekeane · Feb 25, 2017

Cavan O'Doherty said:
What are you on about? All I said was that a football club needs investment, donations, handouts whatever you want to call it, which is correct. Give me an example of a team that is run on a break even basis that is successful.

Here are profitable premier league clubs 2014/2015 as an example

Cavan O'Doherty · Feb 25, 2017

covcity4life said:
Stop going games and hope they fuck off

After wembley and ST runs out of course...

I'm certainly not going next season

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