Breaking even doesn't work in football. You need investment if you want to get anywhere.And if so, when?
This much is clear:
- They will never get a return on their investment
- They will never get the Ricoh Arena
- They lost JR1
- They will lose JR2.
- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy
- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)
So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.
They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.
But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome
You do realise the term investment infers a return at some point don't you?Breaking even doesn't work in football. You need investment if you want to get anywhere.
Would they not get a return if we went up and got the Tv money from the championship? Football clubs don't succeed unless money is pumped into them. It's the way things are I'm afraid. Breaking even is a good business model to have in any business except for a football clubYou do realise the term investment infers a return at some point don't you?
Would they not get a return if we went up and got the Tv money from the championship? Football clubs don't succeed unless money is pumped into them. It's the way things are I'm afraid. Breaking even is a good business model to have in any business except for a football club
And if so, when?
This much is clear:
- They will never get a return on their investment
- They will never get the Ricoh Arena
- They lost JR1
- They will lose JR2.
- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy
- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)
So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.
They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.
But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome
It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.
It's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.
If Portsmouth can do it, can't we?
They're still in Division 4 though!If Portsmouth can do it, can't we?
As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.
Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.
The Trust meeting showed how fan ownership can work. It also doesn't mean being fan owned forever. It could be an interim move once Sisu have gone.
At least the fans interests would be at heartIt's what a fan ownership model would be exactly like. Break even and probably stay afloat on a month by month basis.
I'm which case we would be worse than breaking even then wouldn't we? We would be making profit which if they took to get a return they would be slated for? Whoever "they" may be.Would they not get a return if we went up and got the Tv money from the championship? Football clubs don't succeed unless money is pumped into them. It's the way things are I'm afraid. Breaking even is a good business model to have in any business except for a football club
Fair enough. I hope it would work. But at the moment as a group of fans we can't even decide on a protest, never mind running a club.
So are we!They're still in Division 4 though!
Fans wouldn't need to be literally running the club. You own it and elect someone to run it.
They're still in Division 4 though!
Let's just pick fault with whatever I say:banghead:I'm which case we would be worse than breaking even then wouldn't we? We would be making profit which if they took to get a return they would be slated for? Whoever "they" may be.
Just say donations not investment because that's what you mean
You do realise they've lost millions and millions on this clusterfuck of an investment don't you? Not exactly ringing every last penny out is tThe only reason managers have signed absolute dross is because thats what the budget allows and in this i am refering to permanant signings. The nature of their business is to asset strip for a profit, they will ring the very last penny they can get by sweating the assets. The only lines of income left are Ryton and player sales, one would think return on players will be minimal so this summer is crucial. Other income would come from damages from JR2 if they can prove their was a dodgy deal. If they are still here next season i can only see a youth team being put out to satisfy league requirements whilst they decide the end game as budgets will be dictated by the lack of ticket sales. We are a number in a ledger at the moment thats not costing them anything other than reputational harm, but to some any publicity is good publicity. Fisher is the only one earning from our plight despite saying he doesnt earn a penny, you dont take dogs abuse for nothing. Roll on the summer eh.
Well no but when your post is pretty much oxymoronic I'm going to call you out for it. Don't cryLet's just pick fault with whatever I say:banghead:
Agree. Owners have to care about the club and football in general. At the very least they have to hire someone to run the club who doesI think a big part is the culture of the club. We've lost that "football culture". Who the fuck is Tim Fisher? A banker IIRC, what experience has he got in football? Brody? Seppala? Igwe?
Since Ranson went who has had that link the the game? Anderson maybe? He's basically an accountant though.
Also the culture feeds down from the top. Sisu don't understand or care about football or CCFC, they don't appoint people who do, why would the rest of the staff?
While I do think we will probably need investment, lack of investment alone isn't half of the problem. We could do a damn sight better on the same budget.
Fair enough. I hope it would work. But at the moment as a group of fans we can't even decide on a protest, never mind running a club.
What are you on about? All I said was that a football club needs investment, donations, handouts whatever you want to call it, which is correct. Give me an example of a team that is run on a break even basis that is successful.Well no but when your post is pretty much oxymoronic I'm going to call you out for it. Don't cry
I'd rather have you and Dave from the Wheatsheaf running the club to be honest!As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.
Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.
Completely different.What are you on about? All I said was that a football club needs investment, donations, handouts whatever you want to call it, which is correct. Give me an example of a team that is run on a break even basis that is successful.
:emoji_thumbsup:Completely different.
Here are profitable premier league clubs 2014/2015 as an exampleWhat are you on about? All I said was that a football club needs investment, donations, handouts whatever you want to call it, which is correct. Give me an example of a team that is run on a break even basis that is successful.
I'm certainly not going next seasonStop going games and hope they fuck off
After wembley and ST runs out of course...
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