Will SISU gamble? (1 Viewer)

ccfc1234 · Dec 30, 2015

Something tells me Joy may have finally realized the commercial opportunity she has in her hands with CCFC this season.

> We have our best manager in a decade.
> We are near the top and have a very strong squad, much brought in by the craft of our management team.
> If we stay near the top 2 we will be bringing in 15-17k crowds = ££££
> If we promote we could be playing home games v Derby, Villa, Birmingham, Wolves, Notts Forest and Leeds all games for which we wold get at least 19-25k and a sell out for the Villa game = ££££

Next season could be amazing for SISU but they need to gamble some money now to give the above a chance of happening.

Will they?

RFC · Dec 30, 2015

Investment! "Or do you mean throwing money at the wall and hoping some of it sticks"?

Gteat if it pays off and works but what happens if we don't achieve the promotion goal?

Our club has gambled on far too many occasions in the past, which is why we find ourselves where we are today, make no mistake.

Sensible expenditure and use of the loan-market is the only way forward for any teams in Division One!!!!!

fernandopartridge · Dec 30, 2015

ccfc1234 said:
Something tells me Joy may have finally realized the commercial opportunity she has in her hands with CCFC this season.

> We have our best manager in a decade.
> We are near the top and have a very strong squad, much brought in by the craft of our management team.
> If we stay near the top 2 we will be bringing in 15-17k crowds = ££££
> If we promote we could be playing home games v Derby, Villa, Birmingham, Wolves, Notts Forest and Leeds all games for which we wold get at least 19-25k and a sell out for the Villa game = ££££

Next season could be amazing for SISU but they need to gamble some money now to give the above a chance of happening.

Will they?

Sorry to piss on your parade but we will struggle to break even in the Championship if we want to be competitive.

stupot07 · Dec 30, 2015

fernandopartridge said:
Sorry to piss on your parade but we will struggle to break even in the Championship if we want to be competitive.

We'll struggle to break even in the championship just trying to survive....

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stupot07 · Dec 30, 2015

No, they will use any surplus that is in the budget, but they won't throw in extra and gamble on promotion. They will hope that Mowbray can keep using his budget wisely.

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Danceswithhorses · Dec 30, 2015

No they almost certainly will not.
The club stands by itself.
TM has a fixed budget.

dongonzalos · Dec 30, 2015

Danceswithhorses said:
No they almost certainly will not.
The club stands by itself.
TM has a fixed budget.

Only if all legal action had to end. Then she would have two choices get rid of the club as it is or get it into the top half of the championship before a season ends and recoup some money by selling the premiership dream .

stupot07 · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
Only if all legal action had to end. Then she would have two choices get rid of the club as it is or get it into the top half of the championship before a season ends and recoup some money by selling the premiership dream .

Whilst it is self sustaining there is no need for sisu to sell. It's not costing them anything, they can wait it out 10,15,20 years before deciding to sell. I'm sure any prospective owner will buy the club based on the infrastructure, potential, costs, etc in place, not make a decision on "oh look Coventry are sat 11th in the championship we should buy them"

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Hobo · Dec 30, 2015

The budget will be stuck to and rightly so.

Sick Boy · Dec 30, 2015

I seem to remember that there a belief relegation to League 1 would lead to sisu selling the club. Can't see it happening upon promotion to the Championship.

Many also forget that JS is the head of a hedge fund; she is hardly going to be the sort of person to roll over, is she?

dongonzalos · Dec 30, 2015

stupot07 said:
Whilst it is self sustaining there is no need for sisu to sell. It's not costing them anything, they can wait it out 10,15,20 years before deciding to sell. I'm sure any prospective owner will buy the club based on the infrastructure, potential, costs, etc in place, not make a decision on "oh look Coventry are sat 11th in the championship we should buy them"

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If you have no further legal action to take. Why would you sit owning Coventry for 20 years with it paying for itself?
You either cut your loses and get rid or you try and increase its value in order to sell it. With no legal options that would mean spending cash and sorry Stu but yes getting within touching distance of the championship play offs would increase the sale value of CCFC.
Can't see any point in saying tell you what I will just own Coventry for twenty years because it's pays for itself in division 3. I will do nothing else???

dongonzalos · Dec 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
I seem to remember that there a belief relegation to League 1 would lead to sisu selling the club. Can't see it happening upon promotion to the Championship.

Many also forget that JS is the head of a hedge fund; she is hardly going to be the sort of person to roll over, is she?

So what does she do then when there is no more legal action to be taken (assuming she doesn't win)

Sick Boy · Dec 30, 2015

No idea, carry on as we are if the club is self-sustainable.

Kingokings204 · Dec 30, 2015

Well the club is self run so with higher gates and all that we are getting then yes more money will be there just anyway. Doesn't need investment though I get the question.

With crowds of 15k will help the budget anyway and attract better players with the Ricoh and our manager and league position. That's only what's happened now and worked wonders.

Don't change a winning formula? We have lost 4 games all season with none at home. Simple fact is is if we get the same points in the next 23 games of the season we will be top 6 certainly.

dongonzalos · Dec 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
No idea, carry on as we are if the club is self-sustainable.

To what end? There has to be a plan to recover investors money. Just aimlessly carrying on because you are no longer heamoraging money isn't a plan? You have to have an end plan. At the moment it's legal action. When that is over it's got to be cut your loses straight away or increase the value of the club to sell

Grendel · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
To what end? There has to be a plan to recover investors money. Just aimlessly carrying on because you are no longer heamoraging money isn't a plan? You have to have an end plan. At the moment it's legal action. When that is over it's got to be cut your loses straight away or increase the value of the club to sell

The only way the club will have any sale price at all is if at the very least their is land purchased and permission to build granted.

stupot07 · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
To what end? There has to be a plan to recover investors money. Just aimlessly carrying on because you are no longer heamoraging money isn't a plan? You have to have an end plan. At the moment it's legal action. When that is over it's got to be cut your loses straight away or increase the value of the club to sell

Because this is just one of many investments. As long as the other investments are making profit there is no urgency for them to sell this one.

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dongonzalos · Dec 30, 2015

Grendel said:
The only way the club will have any sale price at all is if at the very least their is land purchased and permission to build granted.

To what cost though. I am glad you said purchase land and get planning permission. However to me that would be pretty much the same as cutting your loses now. It wouldn't add more to the value than what you paid out to get the land and planning permission.

Grendel · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
To what cost though. I am glad you said purchase land and get planning permission. However to me that would be pretty much the same as cutting your loses now. It wouldn't add more to the value than what you paid out to get the land and planning permission.

Clubs with assets are worth more than those that haven't.

You talk about sniff of premiership but so what? The club gets no reciprocal benefit of the increase on values of sponsors naming rights corporate etc. there is no way either that anyone would buy into anything but 100% ownership.

stupot07 · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
If you have no further legal action to take. Why would you sit owning Coventry for 20 years with it paying for itself?
You either cut your loses and get rid or you try and increase its value in order to sell it. With no legal options that would mean spending cash and sorry Stu but yes getting within touching distance of the championship play offs would increase the sale value of CCFC.
Can't see any point in saying tell you what I will just own Coventry for twenty years because it's pays for itself in division 3. I will do nothing else???

Again without wanting to repeat myself, the club is just 1 of a number of investments on their portfolio, as long as others are making a profit there is no urgency to sell this one. You're thinking as a football fan not a financier.

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dongonzalos · Dec 30, 2015

Grendel said:
Clubs with assets are worth more than those that haven't.

You talk about sniff of premiership but so what? The club gets no reciprocal benefit of the increase on values of sponsors naming rights corporate etc. there is no way either that anyone would buy into anything but 100% ownership.

Tv money alone in the Orem would get SISU their money back if they just went up invested nothing and came straight back down.

Grendel · Dec 30, 2015

The other factor in this of course is wasps holdings.

No one will know for some time if they have overplayed their hand. Richardson already has made them take a high risk strategy do he personally gets some funds back,

Gates are down and revenue isn't higher than when ACL were going to the wall. The history of the place shows it to be a problem.

They could very easily tell their investors that this is now a 5 or 10 year strategy to see if the present owners of the fixed asset remain.

Imagine if they got control and the club are in the championship. That would hike up the clubs value.

Grendel · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
Tv money alone in the Orem would get SISU their money back if they just went up invested nothing and came straight back down.

And it costs more than the TV money to get there.

Sick Boy · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
To what end? There has to be a plan to recover investors money. Just aimlessly carrying on because you are no longer heamoraging money isn't a plan? You have to have an end plan. At the moment it's legal action. When that is over it's got to be cut your loses straight away or increase the value of the club to sell

The thing is that many seem to forget is that CCFC is probably a small piece of the investors' overall portfolio as part of their investment.

Grendel · Dec 30, 2015

Sick Boy said:
The thing is that many seem to forget is that CCFC is probably a small piece of the investors' overall portfolio as part of their investment.

I don't think finances are his strong point.

Gazolba · Dec 30, 2015

ccfc1234 said:
Something tells me Joy may have finally realized the commercial opportunity she has in her hands with CCFC this season.

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Next season could be amazing for SISU but they need to gamble some money now to give the above a chance of happening.

Will they?

No they wont 'gamble', they will only invest money where there is a certain return. They have already stated the club must be self-supporting. If/When we get promoted, we will probably come straight back down because the extra income in the Championship wont pay for players of the standard needed to keep us up.

stupot07 · Dec 30, 2015

dongonzalos said:
Tv money alone in the Orem would get SISU their money back if they just went up invested nothing and came straight back down.

How much do you think sisu should gamble to get there per annum in each league? And remember that's on top of the c£50m (£6M+ pa losses in 8 years).

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Sick Boy · Dec 30, 2015

Nice to see dongo back trying to unsettle things, luckily it doesn't seem to be working.

skybluetony176 · Dec 30, 2015

I have a feeling TM may get an advance based on predicted attendances for the rest of the season. Nothing major, enough for some extra wages and maybe a small transfer fee.

skybluetony176 · Dec 30, 2015

Grendel said:
The other factor in this of course is wasps holdings.

No one will know for some time if they have overplayed their hand. Richardson already has made them take a high risk strategy do he personally gets some funds back,

Gates are down and revenue isn't higher than when ACL were going to the wall. The history of the place shows it to be a problem.

They could very easily tell their investors that this is now a 5 or 10 year strategy to see if the present owners of the fixed asset remain.

Imagine if they got control and the club are in the championship. That would hike up the clubs value.

What's any of that got to do with SISU? Nothing Wasps do will effect the club for at least two more seasons now and effect SISU even less.

rupert_bear · Dec 30, 2015

Leopards do not change their spots, there will be no gamble (extra revenue) why should they. Seppella has no interest in our football club other than what she can get from it, sisu will organise the sale of the most valuable of our players Maddison, RCC are two that spring to mind and pocket most of the money l would like to see a plan from them on how they intend to fund a Championship campaign which if you remember Tim Fisher said we couldn't afford.

italiahorse · Dec 30, 2015

They won't put any money in IMHO.

They need to stay with the club and use it to get as much compensation as they can via the legal action(s).

It's what they do then is the question?

'If' there is any compensation it will come from the council so they will also get their revenge fix.
Perhaps then they will realise there is nothing left here for them and they will start their exit plan.

Liquidation ?

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Dec 30, 2015

SISU are thick as fuck. They are too short sighted to see what they could have. They're more interested in getting money fast than waiting and getting more

Covstu · Dec 30, 2015

Totally disagree, we have a squad who should be capable of obtaining promotion. The focus should be on retaining the key loans as a primary goal, injuries will be a key problem but we cannot predict this. The question would be more about whether they would invest if we got promoted.

Irish Sky Blue · Dec 30, 2015

I did wonder if they might sell season tickets for next season in the next month or two, at this year's prices. They would be asking fans to gamble, at least those who don't automatically get a season ticket, that we will get promoted. However, may be too late now for this transfer window.

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