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Whoes the gay boy in the pink? (1 Viewer)

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clint van damme

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #71
RB1992 said:
Remember being at Preston maybe 7/8 years ago and a couple of builders were sat in their half built stand to the left - they got "gayboy" abuse all game and no-one batted an eyelid. Not saying it's right, but just shows how much the game has moved on when a 15-second chant from a minority is now topic for debate.

Personally, I think we're entering dangerous territory if everyone starts throwing a wobbly and taking offence about chants such as this - does this mean we cannot now mock stereotypes for any players/supporters? No more "fat bastard" chants? Cannot call the Welsh "sheep shaggers"? Leicester fans "inbreds"? I could go on. People need to lighten up.
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the difference is, when you're aiming sheep shagger chants Welsh support it's a general chant at a whole end of people and no one in particular. Chant such as racist chants are aimed at a small and specific number of people.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #72
If your life is made markedly worse by the inability to call someone a sheep shagger then you need to have a look at yourself.
 
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ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #73
While you can never eliminate these things entirely, I'd disagree that homophobic chanting will always be part of the game. The fact it stands out enough to warrant a thread is testament to how attitudes are changing.
 
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superskyblue

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #74
ajsccfc said:
While you can never eliminate these things entirely, I'd disagree that homophobic chanting will always be part of the game. The fact it stands out enough to warrant a thread is testament to how attitudes are changing.
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Agreed. It would be shameful to passively accept that homophobic chants will always exist.

The only way to progress is to highlight chants like this every time they're sung and to shame those who are singing them.
 
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richnrg

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #75
Liquid Gold said:
... Professional footballs are having to hide their true identity because of the fear of abuse and this sort of thing is the reason why.
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What are they doing - disguising themselves as professional volleyballs?
 
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matesx

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #76
superskyblue said:
Agreed. It would be shameful to passively accept that homophobic chants will always exist.

The only way to progress is to highlight chants like this every time they're sung and to shame those who are singing them.
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shame them?

they wont give a fuck
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #77
chiefdave said:
Nice to see some casual homophobia is 'just a bit of fun' and 'no big deal'.
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Sick Boy said:
I'd say derogatory homophobic chanting is a big deal. You'd have probably claimed that throwing bananas at black players was no big deal as well though.
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SkyblueBazza said:
Some of the Gay people around that heard might have found it a big deal though

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Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it. I personally think it's low, but it isn't particularly viscous. In reality it's a bunch of twats who haven't grown up, and some spotty chavs just making some moronic comments.

The last time I heard that at a game I was in a group of 10, 2 of which were gay, and they both joined in and started singing it. I found that quite funny. I also think nearly all the gay people I know would have been anything other than bothered about it, not that it makes it ok. It's more a case of blowing things out of proportion as I know some people on here would want the culprits thrown in jail. I'd say the best remedy is education. Give the pricks a night out with my mates, they'd soon realise there's nothing wrong with being gay.

To infer that joking about the colour of someone's shirt and their sexuality is akin to throwing bananas at black people is also just ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Some of your faux-outrage and virtue signalling is really quite patronising actually.
 
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superskyblue

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #78
matesx said:
shame them?

they wont give a fuck
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I'm not sure that's true. There are a hardcore of homophobic pricks who'll do it regardless but those who just join in because it's what everybody else is doing will soon stop if the common consensus becomes that we don't accept homophobic chants at football.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #79
skybluepm2 said:
(Clears throat) we've got (clap clap) Stuart Beavon (repeat x 3 or 4 times)
Then a load of mumbled words. No idea what they're saying but pretty sure it makes no sense.

And don't get me started on the one where they all jump up and down after a few 'woah's' and claps. You know the one right?
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Here in lies the problem with the atmosphere away from home and at the Ricoh, the Younger fans are wanting to try new things to try and get an atmosphere going in the souless bowl of the Ricoh and away from home, but it's constantly criticised and usually by the older generation of supporters (no offence).

Yes not everything that the Sky Blue Army comes up with is a masterpiece, but when no one gives anything new a chance it'll never catch on, then it goes the other way, people moan if the same songs get sung to death.

The Stuart Beavon song is;

He plays as a striker
For Coventry City
Brought to the Ricoh
In January

Cos we've got
Stuart Beavon we've got
Stuart Beavon we've got
Stuart Beavon so glad your mine.

I also know the second one you refer to, it was first done by a visiting side a couple of seasons back (Burton I think) and they made it work well, basically what is supposed to happen is when everyone is singing Woah, everyone is supposed to be sat down, then when people start clapping its when people are supposed to be jumping up and down, so that it makes the support look like it's bouncing, the only issue with this is it only tends to work well enough with the drum, but I've not been permitted to bring the drum to as many games on the road as I would of liked so far this season, therefore it's difficult.

Fans will never agree (sadly), but while I appreciate that the atmosphere on the road has always been pretty decent, the younger generation are always going to want to try something new and different.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #80
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it. I personally think it's low, but it isn't particularly viscous. In reality it's a bunch of twats who haven't grown up, and some spotty chavs just making some moronic comments.

The last time I heard that at a game I was in a group of 10, 2 of which were gay, and they both joined in and started singing it. I found that quite funny. I also think nearly all the gay people I know would have been anything other than bothered about it, not that it makes it ok. It's more a case of blowing things out of proportion as I know some people on here would want the culprits thrown in jail. I'd say the best remedy is education. Give the pricks a night out with my mates, they'd soon realise there's nothing wrong with being gay.

To infer that joking about the colour of someone's shirt and their sexuality is akin to throwing bananas at black people is also just ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Some of your faux-outrage and virtue signalling is really quite patronising actually.
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I'm not surprised you're trying to stigmatise empathy through accusing others of virtue signalling. There clearly are gay people who are uncomfortable with the chanting, including a poster on this thread.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #81
Re the OP, 20 years ago you would have got away with this kind of chant, nowadays in this day and age you can't really sing something like that due to the public pressure to eradicate these types of concerns.

Times change as does society and therefore it's not really acceptable (in my view).

If I see a GK wearing a shocking coloured kit (Chesterfield for example) I try to come up with something less incriminating and humourous, so I called the keeper Barney the Dinosaur, I even sang Barney's rhyme to him, but it's all banter, he even applauded the City fans at the end of the game, so you can tell it wasn't taken to heart, fans need to be more inventive in that sense.
 

matesx

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #82
Barneys rhyme?

wtf? are you 7?
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #83
matesx said:
Barneys rhyme?

wtf? are you 7?
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It's called B-A-N-T-E-R after all what else do you see that is 6ft tall and dressed completely in Purple? :smug:
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #84
RoboCCFC90 said:
Re the OP, 20 years ago you would have got away with this kind of chant, nowadays in this day and age you can't really sing something like that due to the public pressure to eradicate these types of concerns.

Times change as does society and therefore it's not really acceptable (in my view).

If I see a GK wearing a shocking coloured kit (Chesterfield for example) I try to come up with something less incriminating and humourous, so I called the keeper Barney the Dinosaur, I even sang Barney's rhyme to him, but it's all banter, he even applauded the City fans at the end of the game, so you can tell it wasn't taken to heart, fans need to be more inventive in that sense.
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You've just proven my next point that that's barely any good jokes to come out of mocking the opposition's kit!

You are right, time does move on. Recently there was an issue with England fans making nazi gestures and doing the basil fawlty to Germany fans in Dortmund. Fans said it's fine because it's banter, the FA said time moves on from the days of basil fawlty and it is now a crime to sing about or make these gestures. If people can't accept it, then they should be prepared to be banned for doing it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #85
RoboCCFC90 said:
It's called B-A-N-T-E-R after all what else do you see that is 6ft tall and dressed completely in Purple? :smug:
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Somebody in a purple kit
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #86
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
You've just proven my next point that that's barely any good jokes to come out of mocking the opposition's kit!

You are right, time does move on. Recently there was an issue with England fans making nazi gestures and doing the basil fawlty to Germany fans in Dortmund. Fans said it's fine because it's banter, the FA said time moves on from the days of basil fawlty and it is now a crime to sing about or make these gestures. If people can't accept it, then they should be prepared to be banned for doing it.
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"Barely..." does that mean Barney squeezes in as acceptable???
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #87
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it. I personally think it's low, but it isn't particularly viscous. In reality it's a bunch of twats who haven't grown up, and some spotty chavs just making some moronic comments.

The last time I heard that at a game I was in a group of 10, 2 of which were gay, and they both joined in and started singing it. I found that quite funny. I also think nearly all the gay people I know would have been anything other than bothered about it, not that it makes it ok. It's more a case of blowing things out of proportion as I know some people on here would want the culprits thrown in jail. I'd say the best remedy is education. Give the pricks a night out with my mates, they'd soon realise there's nothing wrong with being gay.

To infer that joking about the colour of someone's shirt and their sexuality is akin to throwing bananas at black people is also just ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Some of your faux-outrage and virtue signalling is really quite patronising actually.
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Well...I personally haven't any of that faux-outrage you mention.

And given your insight, if I see said tw**s/spotty chavs dissecting your car after a game I'll just let them get on with it. They will grow up eventually.


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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #88
Sick Boy said:
I'm not surprised you're trying to stigmatise empathy through accusing others of virtue signalling. There clearly are gay people who are uncomfortable with the chanting, including a poster on this thread.
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Imo - it does have a conotation that sends a message gay people that they are both some lower form of life & are a reasonable target for ridicule/bullying behaviour

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #89
RoboCCFC90 said:
It's called B-A-N-T-E-R after all what else do you see that is 6ft tall and dressed completely in Purple? :smug:
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I thought banter was a 2-way thing? This was a group of people targeting an individual to mock/abuse. I think that's called bullying

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RoboCCFC90

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #90
SkyblueBazza said:
I thought banter was a 2-way thing? This was a group of people targeting an individual to mock/abuse. I think that's called bullying

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If you're referring to the hompophobic chanting then I am inclined to agree, but if you're referring to my original quote then I disagree, the keeper (Richard Lee - I think?) was quite receptive to it and as I said applauded the City fans after the game.

I've done this several times before and it's never been a problem, I even got a laugh out of Scott Flinders and Owain-Fon Williams!
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #91
SkyblueBazza said:
Well...I personally haven't any of that faux-outrage you mention.

And given your insight, if I see said tw**s/spotty chavs dissecting your car after a game I'll just let them get on with it. They will grow up eventually.


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My comments weren't so much aimed at you from there to be honest. However now you've prompted me, criminal damage is not really on par with calling someone gay for wearing a pink shirt.

You'll grow up eventually.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #92
Let's not get carried away here, it was quite mild abuse. That doesn't make it acceptable though.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #93
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it.
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I'm certain there would be some who found it hilarious doesn't mean that others would and that's it an OK thing to do.
 

Malaka

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #94
fatso said:
If you said that to my face, my boyfriend would slap you and I'd give you a good fisting!
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Tell me where you live Fatso? I will be around to sat it to your face. I will be wearing a gimp suit
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #95
superskyblue said:
I'm not sure that's true. There are a hardcore of homophobic pricks who'll do it regardless but those who just join in because it's what everybody else is doing will soon stop if the common consensus becomes that we don't accept homophobic chants at football.
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Thing is I bet none of them post or even read the threads on here.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #96
Malaka said:
Tell me where you live Fatso? I will be around to sat it to your face. I will be wearing a gimp suit
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Sat it to your face? Was that deliberate?
 
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Malaka

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #97
Otis said:
Sat it to your face? Was that deliberate?
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I meant say
 

fatso

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #98
Malaka said:
I meant say
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Thank fook for that!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #99
Liquid Gold said:
If your life is made markedly worse by the inability to call someone a sheep shagger then you need to have a look at yourself.
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But I’m Chief Sheep Sexual Exploitation Prevention Officer!
 

vow

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #100
matesx said:
Take your watch off first
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You got the time? I've got the place!
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #101
shmmeee said:
But I’m Chief Sheep Sexual Exploitation Prevention Officer!
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Ewe can do better than that.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #102
Liquid Gold said:
Ewe can do better than that.
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It was pretty baaaaad
 

Hobo

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  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #103
Liquid Gold said:
If your life is made markedly worse by the inability to call someone a sheep shagger then you need to have a look at yourself.
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The people chanting this stuff are the sheep.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 18, 2017
  • #104
Hobo said:
The people chanting this stuff are the sheep.
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They should be baaaared
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Sep 19, 2017
  • #105
SkyblueBazza said:
What would you have expected them to actually do???

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Try singing it at a match these days, you'd get slung out. Duh!
 
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