Who should still move on? (1 Viewer)

rob9872 · Jul 24, 2024

As the flip side to the 'what do we still need' thread, I think we need to move a few on.

Anyone you think we should add to below or even a case for some to retain?

A keeper has to go, I'd get rid of Collins as likely higher wages and longer contract, but will be more difficult and suspect it will be Wilson.

I'd like a more progressive LB and similar to above, I'd prefer to keep Bidwell over JDS, but suspect it might be the other way.

I'd move on Jamie Allen, I think we need better in reserve to push on. Shame but can't be nostalgic.

I'd look at loaning out as many as we can from Bell, Burroughs, Howley, Andrews, Dausch and Obikwu. All did ok tonight and arguably the starting team scored the goals, but I'd like more experience on the bench as after consideration, I'd be worried if we had to start any of them for any length of time (and yes it is contradictory to my opening post on the Obikwu thread).

Previously I'd also said I was happy with squad until January but if we can get these out I'd like another CM and a decent back up striker. Ideally some experience and preferably a leader with a bit of bite.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 24, 2024

Sheaf.

An injury prone weak captain who thinks he's better than this level. Yet whenever he plays, our form dips. Useless over the half way line. Sell him an reinvest the money for a proper player and captain.

ccfc1234 · Jul 24, 2024

Think you summed it up well. Of the youngsters you have said loan out I think robins should keep the one prospect he thinks could have some sort of breakthrough this season around the first team squad.

rob9872 · Jul 24, 2024

ccfc1234 said:
Think you summed it up well. Of the youngsters you have said loan out I think robins should keep the one prospect he thinks could have some sort of breakthrough this season around the first team squad.

Agree as long as they do get a chance as benchwarming will hamper their development even being in and around the squad imo. No substitute for actually playing competitive games.

larry_david · Jul 24, 2024

Bell has looked great in the training videos. So really good saves. Loan hopefully.
Dausch should also get a loan in my opinion.
Sounds like obikwu is getting better and better and tbh for me he needs a good season now at league 1-2 ripping it up week in, week out.

blunted · Jul 24, 2024

Allen is fine. Just what we need an experienced midfielder with a good engine who is a solid reliable squad player. If his injury problems are behind him, he will make a major contribution this season. He was written off two seasons ago and came back as one of our best players. Last season was a write off for him. We can't get rid off our older (but not that old) players and replace them with kids. Godden was past his sell by date, Allen isn't.

Gint11 · Jul 24, 2024

Send the youngsters out on loan. We need a striker and a RB to challenge MVE although will MR stick with Burroughs?

Let a keeper go and maybe a CM

JSL · Jul 24, 2024

Gint11 said:
Send the youngsters out on loan. We need a striker and a RB to challenge MVE although will MR stick with Burroughs?

Let a keeper go and maybe a CM

I doubt MR will stick with Burroughs after last nights performance. Obikwu looks to be rising to the challenge and I would say has gone ahead of Tavares in the striker rankings.

larry_david · Jul 24, 2024

How 'bad' was Burroughs? He looked pretty solid against Getafe

rexo87 · Jul 24, 2024

Moving out Allen would be stupid in my opinion. If Sheaf and Torp are out then he plays as one of the midfield 3. Even if we get another starting CM in he would be the next one in. You wouldn’t get more than 200/300k for him so just let him run his contract down with us - he’ll end up playing more games than we think

Tommo1993 · Jul 24, 2024

Palmer should be moved on. Adds nothing.

Shannerz · Jul 24, 2024

rob9872 said:
I'd move on Jamie Allen, I think we need better in reserve to push on. Shame but can't be nostalgic.

Allen's a really useful member of the squad. Boundless energy, disciplined, is good at moving the ball quickly from back to front and links the midfield and forwards well.

If it hadn't been for injury, I think we'd have seen a lot more of him last season. If it was a straight choice between the two, I'd keep him over Palmer.

Saddlebrains · Jul 24, 2024

What will happen - no one else out other than kids loans

What should happen - one of Collins Wilson out, Palmer out

Don't expect either of Wilson or Collins to go. Mental I know

Covkid1968# · Jul 24, 2024

The work Allen puts in goes unnoticed plus he chips in with goals. For what he costs us and what we’d get for him… I think he’s a good back up.

Gint11 · Jul 24, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
What will happen - no one else out other than kids loans

What should happen - one of Collins Wilson out, Palmer out

Don't expect either of Wilson or Collins to go. Mental I know

We don’t need 3 first team goalies. It eats up wages that would go on a position we need. I just don’t see why we’d keep 3 unless we’ve had no offers.

TomRad85 · Jul 24, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
What will happen - no one else out other than kids loans

What should happen - one of Collins Wilson out, Palmer out

Don't expect either of Wilson or Collins to go. Mental I know

Not by choice surely... annoying we've managed to get ourselves into another Simon Moore situation.

Saddlebrains · Jul 24, 2024

Gint11 said:
We don’t need 3 first team goalies. It eats up wages that would go on a position we need. I just don’t see why we’d keep 3 unless we’ve had no offers.

You're correct we don't need 3. And in a ideal world we fuck one off

However last I was told there are no takers fir either of them and they're happy to do a Moore

JSL · Jul 24, 2024

Theres a danger that some people get too sentimental about home grown talent and long serving players even if they aren't up to the task of pushing for promotion. The squad should be constantly evolving to remove the weakest links either by selling or loaning to better them. That includes taking incoming loans if needed in my opinion.

ms639 · Jul 24, 2024

Burroughs is 23 and well below the level, got destroyed last night against an average league 1 outfit. I know it’s a friendly but players like him are playing for their opportunity and on that he’s nowhere near.

The other homegrown lot are younger and should be given more time to develop, agree a loan is right

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Balli001 · Jul 24, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
You're correct we don't need 3. And in a ideal world we fuck one off

However last I was told there are no takers fir either of them and they're happy to do a Moore

Slightly different circumstances though. Wilson is able to do that with only a year however Collins has another 2 so its a long time to do nothing.

Balli001 · Jul 24, 2024

larry_david said:
How 'bad' was Burroughs? He looked pretty solid against Getafe

He had an awful first half definitely. Cost us the goal ultimately and gave the ball away with his first 4 passes. They then targeted him and he didnt look great

Balli001 · Jul 24, 2024

larry_david said:
Bell has looked great in the training videos. So really good saves. Loan hopefully.
Dausch should also get a loan in my opinion.
Sounds like obikwu is getting better and better and tbh for me he needs a good season now at league 1-2 ripping it up week in, week out.

I agree with Obikwu. Very good potential but currently i think that's all it is. I wouldn't want him leading the line in a league game at the moment

stgeorge1966 · Jul 24, 2024

rob9872 said:
As the flip side to the 'what do we still need' thread, I think we need to move a few on.

Anyone you think we should add to below or even a case for some to retain?

A keeper has to go, I'd get rid of Collins as likely higher wages and longer contract, but will be more difficult and suspect it will be Wilson.

I'd like a more progressive LB and similar to above, I'd prefer to keep Bidwell over JDS, but suspect it might be the other way.

I'd move on Jamie Allen, I think we need better in reserve to push on. Shame but can't be nostalgic.

I'd look at loaning out as many as we can from Bell, Burroughs, Howley, Andrews, Dausch and Obikwu. All did ok tonight and arguably the starting team scored the goals, but I'd like more experience on the bench as after consideration, I'd be worried if we had to start any of them for any length of time (and yes it is contradictory to my opening post on the Obikwu thread).

Previously I'd also said I was happy with squad until January but if we can get these out I'd like another CM and a decent back up striker. Ideally some experience and preferably a leader with a bit of bite.

Morning

I would loan out Bell, Burroughs, Howley, Andrews and Dausch.
Keep Obikwu as part of the squad.

Still think we need 3 players myself ( CD, DM, STR )

Ccfcisparks · Jul 24, 2024

ideally

Tavares, Dausch, Andrews, Howley, Bell all on loan

One of Wilson/Collins, JDS, Palmer out permanently

Monty · Jul 24, 2024

With the current injuries we cannot afford to loan out anyone but Bell (presuming Collins and Wilson stay). With Sheaf, Torp, Rodrigues, Wright and Dovin currently injured, (and Kitching suspended), you are looking at a starting XI of:
Collins, MVE, Bidwell, Thomas, Binks, Ecclies, Rudoni, Allen, Sakamoto, Simms, EMC.
And a bench of:
Wilson, Dasilva, Burroughs, Lati, Palmer, Tavares, Andrews, Obikwu, Dausch or possibly Howley instead of one of those, as such we can't really afford to move players either through sale or loan until we have more players in.

TomRad85 · Jul 24, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
ideally

Tavares, Dausch, Andrews, Howley, Bell all on loan

One of Wilson/Collins, JDS, Palmer out permanently

Sort of agree but it depends on a lot..

Tavares out on loan - Only if Rodrigues is better right now, otherwise you keep him

JDS - Happy to let him go and ideally we'd buy a better left back but not sure i can see it

Palmer - Again ok with him going but would we be able to replace right now? Not sure

I'd also add Obikwu to the out on loan list, based on pre-season he's starting to look League 1 ready and i'd be sending him out to play regular mens football asap.

Tea & Busquets · Jul 24, 2024

I say keep Obikwu and Andrews around the first team.

iflynno · Jul 24, 2024

Think right now only either Collins/Wilson go out permanently.

No one else leaves without incomings ie Palmer/JDS.

Dausch, Andrews, Howley loans perhaps Obikwu dependant on Robins thoughts. Burroughs keep around as RB cover.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 24, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
What will happen - no one else out other than kids loans

What should happen - one of Collins Wilson out, Palmer out

Don't expect either of Wilson or Collins to go. Mental I know

In??

Tea & Busquets · Jul 24, 2024

Tea & Busquets said:
I say keep Obikwu and Andrews around the first team.

Scratch that, send Obikwu on loan, keep Andrews and Tavares, forgot about him

AOM · Jul 24, 2024

blunted said:
Allen is fine. Just what we need an experienced midfielder with a good engine who is a solid reliable squad player. If his injury problems are behind him, he will make a major contribution this season. He was written off two seasons ago and came back as one of our best players. Last season was a write off for him. We can't get rid off our older (but not that old) players and replace them with kids. Godden was past his sell by date, Allen isn't.

Think Allen is one of our most underrated players, and we don't have many in the team who has that engine that someone like Callum O'Hare had

Saddlebrains · Jul 24, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
In??

Again only going off what I was told weeks ago before throwing the towel in but I'd only expect to see a CM and ST for definite

The experienced centre half would be later in the window if the right one became available for loan

Tea & Busquets · Jul 24, 2024

As much as Id love a homegrown talent to break through, Burroughs is not it. We really need RB cover that can also play up more, in the Camara mold.

Saddlebrains · Jul 24, 2024

AOM said:
Think Allen is one of our most underrated players, and we don't have many in the team who has that engine that someone like Callum O'Hare had

In a 433 I would play Allen over Palmer everyday of the week and twice on a Sunday

For me Palmer is now a redundant member of the squad and we need to look to offload him and 1 of the keepers

Tea & Busquets · Jul 24, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Again only going off what I was told weeks ago before throwing the towel in but I'd only expect to see a CM and ST for definite

The experienced centre half would be later in the window if the right one became available for loan

Any news on a RB since Camara broke down

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