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skybluericoh · Feb 28, 2024

FA Cup build-up - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool in action

Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool are among the clubs involved in FA Cup fifth round ties on Wednesday night.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure if this link will work but it's the 1970 FA cup final replay Leeds Chelsea it comes with a warning at one point the commentator says ' that must be a booking surely. There would have been 15 reds before that now. Some things have changed but you'll understand why there was crowd trouble after seeing this . Hope it works if not maybe one of the more technical youngsters can add it

Otis · Feb 28, 2024

skybluericoh said:
FA Cup build-up - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool in action

Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool are among the clubs involved in FA Cup fifth round ties on Wednesday night.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure if this link will work but it's the 1970 FA cup final replay Leeds Chelsea it comes with a warning at one point the commentator says ' that must be a booking surely. There would have been 15 reds before that now. Some things have changed but you'll understand why there was crowd trouble after seeing this . Hope it works if not maybe one of the more technical youngsters can add it

I remember that game well. Watched it live on TV.

Thing is, it is a bit daft to say what would happen now, because if they had today's rules in place, that would have played out completely differently.

It was the way the game was played and because it was quite acceptable, it was considered the norm.

I watched it with my dad and brothers and my school friends all watched it too and no-one commented after how violent or rough a game it was.

Covkid1968# · Feb 28, 2024

skybluericoh said:
FA Cup build-up - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool in action

Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool are among the clubs involved in FA Cup fifth round ties on Wednesday night.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure if this link will work but it's the 1970 FA cup final replay Leeds Chelsea it comes with a warning at one point the commentator says ' that must be a booking surely. There would have been 15 reds before that now. Some things have changed but you'll understand why there was crowd trouble after seeing this . Hope it works if not maybe one of the more technical youngsters can add it

Bloody Hell.....some career ending tackles going in there. Nobody seemed to get injured - they just got up and carried on. No wonder they were only good for managing a pub by the age of 31

skybluericoh · Feb 28, 2024

Covkid1968# said:
Bloody Hell.....some career ending tackles going in there. Nobody seemed to get injured - they just got up and carried on. No wonder they were only good for managing a pub by the age of 31

I used to work with Hugie McKilmole (spelling will be way off) he played for Festa and was in the team that got beat in the FA cup final, might have been Man City. He could barely walk in his fifties, cracking bloke came over to HR a few times, he said to see Robbie Keane, but I knew he was a closet sky blue

Old Warwickshire lad · Feb 28, 2024

It wasn’t considered the norm, it was talked about for years as one of the most vicious fa cup games ever.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Feb 28, 2024

Covkid1968# said:
Bloody Hell.....some career ending tackles going in there. Nobody seemed to get injured - they just got up and carried on. No wonder they were only good for managing a pub by the age of 31

That's when it was a man's game.

The youngest today would shit themselves.

lifeskyblue · Feb 28, 2024

The best and worst of football back in the day. No rolling around as if been poleaxed but some awful tackles that rightly today would be heavily punished

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ovduk78 · Feb 28, 2024

It's still not as bad as the Chile v Italy game from 1962 WC, at least the ref sent players off in that

hamertime · Feb 28, 2024

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
That's when it was a man's game.

Careful, you could get cancelled for saying that….

ovduk78 · Feb 28, 2024

DionDublinsJockstrap · Feb 28, 2024

skybluericoh said:
FA Cup build-up - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool in action

Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool are among the clubs involved in FA Cup fifth round ties on Wednesday night.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure if this link will work but it's the 1970 FA cup final replay Leeds Chelsea it comes with a warning at one point the commentator says ' that must be a booking surely. There would have been 15 reds before that now. Some things have changed but you'll understand why there was crowd trouble after seeing this . Hope it works if not maybe one of the more technical youngsters can add it

Am I correct in thinking that Highfield Rd was pencilled in for a second replay if required?
PS it was x rated violent even for the 1970s

skybluericoh · Feb 28, 2024

ovduk78 said:

well what can you say - A police escort to get the player sent off off the field - That's unbelievable Jeff

skybluericoh · Feb 28, 2024

DionDublinsJockstrap said:
Am I correct in thinking that Highfield Rd was pencilled in for a second replay if required?
PS it was x rated violent even for the 1970s

I can remember Arsenal wanting one of their replays at HR but losing the toss and it was either at Filbert street or they were the opposition in the '70s

hamertime · Feb 28, 2024

Didn’t we have a fa cup semi final at highfield rd once?

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Feb 28, 2024

hamertime said:
Careful, you could get cancelled for saying that….

Thanks for warning sweetie

Brylowes · Feb 29, 2024

hamertime said:
Didn’t we have a fa cup semi final at highfield rd once?

Arsenal 1 v 0 Liverpool in 1980, 2nd or 3rd replay.

Brylowes · Feb 29, 2024

DionDublinsJockstrap said:
Am I correct in thinking that Highfield Rd was pencilled in for a second replay if required?
PS it was x rated violent even for the 1970s

I find it hard to believe that Highfield Rd would have been considered for an FA Cup Final replay.

Skyblue Bangkok · Feb 29, 2024

Brylowes said:
I find it hard to believe Highfield Rd would have been considered for an FA Cup Final replay.

Capacity would have been too small .

Como · Feb 29, 2024

You have to remember there were no big screens, Match of the Day would have been seen on 625 Colour if you were lucky, how big were the TVs maybe 16 inch?

I do not recollect any incidents causing trouble in the crowd, the Inter City etc were just coming in? Most teams had an enforcer or 2.

The thing I do remember is that squads were much smaller, when did they move from one substitute to 2? and you normally saw the same team week after week, 6 changes did not happen.

And look at the state of the pitch.

Skyblue Bangkok · Feb 29, 2024

Como said:
You have to remember there were no big screens, Match of the Day would have been seen on 625 Colour if you were lucky, how big were the TVs maybe 16 inch?

I do not recollect any incidents causing trouble in the crowd, the Inter City etc were just coming in? Most teams had an enforcer or 2.

The thing I do remember is that squads were much smaller, when did they move from one substitute to 2? and you normally saw the same team week after week, 6 changes did not happen.

And look at the state of the pitch.

I think 2 subs were introduced for FA cup games the season we won it and two subs for league games a season or two later.

Como · Feb 29, 2024

The number of substitutes usable in a competitive match has increased from zero, meaning that teams were reduced if players' injuries could not allow them to play on, to one in 1958; to two out of a possible five in 1988. With the later increases in substitutions allowed, the number of potential substitute players increased to seven.[15] The number of substitutes increased to two plus one (injured goalkeeper) in 1994,[16] to three in 1995,[17][18] and to a fourth substitute in certain competitions (starting from UEFA Euro 2016) in extra time.[19] In 2020, following a proposal from FIFA, the International Football Association Board allowed for competition organisers to temporarily allow for a maximum of five substitutions (with an additional allowed in extra time, where applicable) to be made in official matches for the remainder of the year in order to lessen the impact of fixture congestion caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. However, there will only be three opportunities to make substitutions (with an additional allowed in extra time, where applicable), excluding those made at half-time, before the start of extra time and at half-time in extra time.[20]

Times change.... I thought going to 2 was a lot longer ago.

Skyblue Bangkok · Feb 29, 2024

Como said:
The number of substitutes usable in a competitive match has increased from zero, meaning that teams were reduced if players' injuries could not allow them to play on, to one in 1958; to two out of a possible five in 1988. With the later increases in substitutions allowed, the number of potential substitute players increased to seven.[15] The number of substitutes increased to two plus one (injured goalkeeper) in 1994,[16] to three in 1995,[17][18] and to a fourth substitute in certain competitions (starting from UEFA Euro 2016) in extra time.[19] In 2020, following a proposal from FIFA, the International Football Association Board allowed for competition organisers to temporarily allow for a maximum of five substitutions (with an additional allowed in extra time, where applicable) to be made in official matches for the remainder of the year in order to lessen the impact of fixture congestion caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. However, there will only be three opportunities to make substitutions (with an additional allowed in extra time, where applicable), excluding those made at half-time, before the start of extra time and at half-time in extra time.[20]

Times change.... I thought going to 2 was a lot longer ago.

I think substitutes were only allowed into the English football league in the 1965/66 season.

Skyblue Bangkok · Feb 29, 2024

Apparently no subs in the 1966 World Cup.

Como · Feb 29, 2024

The use of substitutes in World Cup Finals matches was not allowed until the 1970 tournament. The number of substitutes usable in a competitive match has increased from zero, meaning that teams were reduced if players' injuries could not allow them to play on, to one in 1958; to two out of a possible five in 1988.

I do not remember the first game I went to, pretty sure it was the early 60's and always remember there being a sub and one of the decisions was did you have a goalie as a potential sub or not, sometimes they did not and that could be interesting.

1966 WC we were in France and saw the final in French on a small TV in B&W in a bar. That sort of thing would have passed me by.

wingy · Feb 29, 2024

Football is socialism, the greatest job creation scheme going,able to generate to date the equivalent of the GDP of a small nation and still further to Go!!

Skyblue Bangkok · Feb 29, 2024

wingy said:
Football is socialism, the greatest job creation scheme going,able to generate to date the equivalent of the GDP of a small nation and still further to Go!!

Football is neo liberalism ,as is the rest of our economy .

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Feb 29, 2024

wingy said:
Football is socialism, the greatest job creation scheme going,able to generate to date the equivalent of the GDP of a small nation and still further to Go!!

No it's not. Player wages is free market. Teams with higher revenues can spend more. Only thing that is slightly like that is the distribution of TV money, although if you get more games you get more money so still favours the big teams.

Ironically the US sports are more socialist. Draft lets the worst teams pick the best available players first and a wage cap means all teams have the same to spend regardless of income (though that just means owners can make a shit ton of money). It's also a closed system so you need to get one of the franchises.

Como · Feb 29, 2024

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No it's not. Player wages is free market. Teams with higher revenues can spend more. Only thing that is slightly like that is the distribution of TV money, although if you get more games you get more money so still favours the big teams.

Ironically the US sports are more socialist. Draft lets the worst teams pick the best available players first and a wage cap means all teams have the same to spend regardless of income (though that just means owners can make a shit ton of money). It's also a closed system so you need to get one of the franchises.

They call it a Franchise in a positive way, something I hear as negative.

And they do not have the academy system but use the education system.

It has its limitations, well look at the problem they now have with Women's Football, it was a positive because of the money, and now a negative as they can not replicate the Club system

Hobo · Feb 29, 2024

Old Warwickshire lad said:
It wasn’t considered the norm, it was talked about for years as one of the most vicious fa cup games ever.

That particular game may not have been the norm? But every game had some tackles like that in it. Every team had one or two players who were known as the teams hard men.

fernandopartridge · Feb 29, 2024

hamertime said:
Careful, you could get cancelled for saying that….

Nothing manly about trying to violently assault your competitor

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Brylowes · Feb 29, 2024

Skyblue Bangkok said:
Capacity would have been too small .

Yeah I would have thought so, Highfield Rd probably held around 40,000 in the early1970’s, the replay at Old Trafford was attended by 62,000, I would have thought a capacity close to that would have been needed.

Brylowes · Feb 29, 2024

Covkid1968# said:
Bloody Hell.....some career ending tackles going in there. Nobody seemed to get injured - they just got up and carried on. No wonder they were only good for managing a pub by the age of 31

It was a completely different game back then in so many ways, the pitch’s were generally heavy and most players would smoke, drink and with little attention given to diet and nutritional intake.
The game was played at a much slower pace and as a result players bodies were more robust & relaxed.

By comparison the game today is played on pristine surfaces at a frenetic pace, the players are finely tuned athletes and as a result their bodies are tight and taut which makes them far more susceptible to hamstring/tendon injuries, muscle strains, sprains etc

wingy · Feb 29, 2024

Brylowes said:
It was a completely different game back then in so many ways, the pitch’s were generally heavy and most players would smoke, drink and with little attention given to diet and nutritional intake.
The game was played at a much slower pace and as a result players bodies were more robust & relaxed.

By comparison the game today is played on pristine surfaces at a frenetic pace, the players are finely tuned athletes and as a result their bodies are tight and taut which makes them far more susceptible to hamstring/tendon injuries, muscle strains, sprains etc

Don't if I can entirely agree, when I think of some rapid attacks the likes of Gallagher, Huckerbey etc against all languid passing around the back etc finished off with a burst of energy?
I often feel the game is played to a template now with none of the huff and puff, randomness, wave after wave of attacks etc? How many times do we see teams wiped away nowadays?

Otis · Feb 29, 2024

Old Warwickshire lad said:
It wasn’t considered the norm, it was talked about for years as one of the most vicious fa cup games ever.

It was later, but I never remember anyone mentioning it at the time.

None of my mates or family commented the next day about it when we all talked about the match. It was just about the match itself and nowt else.

Maybe I mixed in different circles.

Otis · Feb 29, 2024

Hobo said:
That particular game may not have been the norm? But every game had some tackles like that in it. Every team had one or two players who were known as the teams hard men.

Yeah, Norman Bite Your Legs Hunter, Chopper Harris and anyone remember Trevor Hockey? The biggest thug I ever remember on a professional football field.

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