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chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
I really fail to see the bit about 15k stadium, and 25k being too big that you don't understand??? in 99% of fans eyes, 15k is a "Non starter" because CCFC will never as long as we've all got "Holes in our arses" live and prosper off 15k MAXIMUM gates.... Without trying to be personal here, for a man that comes across as intelligent, you've not got the common sense you were born with mate!

At no point does it say 15K maximum. It says they're talking about 15K and 25K is possible. Personally I'd rather wait and see some plans or further details rather than declaring the whole project dead.

You said it was a non-starter. That's just factually wrong, CRFC state it has got as far as architects getting involved and plans drawn up and they are keen for CCFC to groundshare. So by non-starter what you actually mean is the plans you haven't yet seen might not be acceptable to you personally.

torchomatic · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Why don't you start one and see?

Don't need to. You've already "estimated" the result. I'll go with that.

torchomatic · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
So by non-starter what you actually mean is the plans you haven't yet seen might not be acceptable to you personally.

This. Exactly.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
At no point does it say 15K maximum. It says they're talking about 15K and 25K is possible. Personally I'd rather wait and see some plans or further details rather than declaring the whole project dead.

You said it was a non-starter. That's just factually wrong, CRFC state it has got as far as architects getting involved and plans drawn up and they are keen for CCFC to groundshare. So by non-starter what you actually mean is the plans you haven't yet seen might not be acceptable to you personally.

Once again I'll state.. What part of QUOTE[John Sharpe saying 25k is TOO BIG]UNQUOTE Don't you understand

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

I'll tell you what Dave... Let's wait and see eh?

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Once again I'll state.. What part of QUOTE[John Sharpe saying 25k is TOO BIG]UNQUOTE Don't you understand

Well he's right isn't he? We have no need for a 25K stadium at present. He also says the site is capable of having a 25K stadium so we need to see the plans and details of how quickly and at what expense that expansion could take place if needed.

25K might be too big now, doesn't mean it will be forever.

But again I would point out, he hasn't said its a non-starter. You have declared it a non-starter as it does't meet a capacity you have arbitrarily decided upon.

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
I'll tell you what Dave... Let's wait and see eh?

Common sense I would have thought. It may very well be the case that it doesn't move forward at all. Or maybe we'll see some plans and decide it is totally unsuitable. Or we could see plans and it be the ground we all want.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Final post from me on this CD... listen CLOSELY to what Simon Gilbert has to say when "Quoting John Sharpe"... 15k stadium is what we're looking at, possibilities of 25k, BUT that is too big, so looking at 15k with other things such as retail outlets, student accomodation etc, etc. Seems you think we could possibly fit Wembley onto the site too eh?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/watch-simon-gilberts-analysis-plans-11349995

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Before any of you say I'm "Being negative".I've already posted that I think the BPA could easily be made into a 25k stadium... Anyone had a look at that post yet? I'm saying it's a non starter simply because of what the BPA owner has had to say on the subject of a partnership with CCFC

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Final post from me on this CD... listen CLOSELY to what Simon Gilbert has to say when "Quoting John Sharpe"... 15k stadium is what we're looking at, possibilities of 25k, BUT that is too big, so looking at 15k with other things such as retail outlets, student accomodation etc, etc. Seems you think we could possibly fit Wembley onto the site too eh?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/watch-simon-gilberts-analysis-plans-11349995

At no point does he say it can never be expanded. So once again I would say 15K is fine to start and lets see what expansion is allowed for in the plans.

To say it is a non-starter indicates that there is no possibility of a groundshare at the Butts. That's clearly a possibility as John Sharp says they have plans drawn up and are keen to groundshare.

So it is possible and past that it is down to what is in the plans and what future possibilities they allow for.

Grendel · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Once again I'll state.. What part of QUOTE[John Sharpe saying 25k is TOO BIG]UNQUOTE Don't you understand

However, for it to get off the ground it would not be too big for the football club so potential expansion would have to be considered.

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Also worth point out the video is not an unedited video of Simon interviewing Sharp. Its Simon talking about what was said in a conversation with him, not that the Telegraph ever spin things to look bad for the club.

Has Mowbray been announced as Rotherham's new manager yet?

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
Also worth point out the video is not an unedited video of Simon interviewing Sharp. Its Simon talking about what was said in a conversation with him, not that the Telegraph ever spin things to look bad for the club.

Has Mowbray been announced as Rotherham's new manager yet?

So you think Simon Gilbert would set himself up for a little trip to court to defend a libel/slander case do you?
And how the f**k would I know if TM was manager at RUFC? I've never said he was or even implied he was. I have however said I've no reason to doubt Bawtryneal in his OP. I've also stated that if it were to be true, TM and SISU are to be not be trusted in anything they say or do again. Problem with that?

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
So you think Simon Gilbert would set himself up for a little trip to court to defend a libel/slander case do you?

No I'm saying Simon had a conversation with Sharp and then relayed his recollection of it in a video on the CT website. He probably wasn't expecting for someone such as yourself to take it as absolute undeniable proof that it is in no way possible for CCFC and CRFC to groundshare at the Butts.

I don't know Sharp but I can't imagine he would be straight on the phone to his lawyer for being quoted as saying the Butts could hold a 25K ground but that would be too big. It would certainly be too big for CRFC and at present it would be too big for us.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

You haven't come back with the "Mowbray" bit yet!

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
No I'm saying Simon had a conversation with Sharp and then relayed his recollection of it in a video on the CT website. He probably wasn't expecting for someone such as yourself to take it as absolute undeniable proof that it is in no way possible for CCFC and CRFC to groundshare at the Butts.

I don't know Sharp but I can't imagine he would be straight on the phone to his lawyer for being quoted as saying the Butts could hold a 25K ground but that would be too big. It would certainly be too big for CRFC and at present it would be too big for us.

What can I say.....................TOTAL BOLLOX!

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
You haven't come back with the "Mowbray" bit yet!

It was an example of the CT putting a negative spin where CCFC are concerned. There has been several articles a day saying Mowbray is going yet the club have said, on more than one occasion, no approach has been made. Now it turns out another club have given permission for their manager to be spoken to.

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
What can I say.....................TOTAL BOLLOX!

Why? That is 13,500 home capacity. How many times this season have we had more home fans than that?

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
It was an example of the CT putting a negative spin where CCFC are concerned. There has been several articles a day saying Mowbray is going yet the club have said, on more than one occasion, no approach has been made. Now it turns out another club have given permission for their manager to be spoken to.

F**k your examples mate! you tried to imply I said/thought he was going to be RUFC manager. when I never said/implied anything of the sort!

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
F**k your examples mate! you tried to imply I said/thought he was going to be RUFC manager. when I never said/implied anything of the sort!

Nope, try again.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
Why? That is 13,500 home capacity. How many times this season have we had more home fans than that?

When we were winning, quite a few games were well above 15k. It takes a winning team and outlook on our future, and gates will be well over 22k-25k for every home match.
You try to manipulate figures to conform with your argument, it ain't gonna work.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
Nope, try again.

Really..I mean really? why the f**k did you ask me that question then???

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Nvm don't bother replying, I cba with you anymore tonight. Night guys.

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
When we were winning, quite a few games were well above 15k. It takes a winning team and outlook on our future, and gates will be well over 22k-25k for every home match.
You try to manipulate figures to conform with your argument, it ain't gonna work.

Five games over 15K last season.

Gillingham 15,604 (857 away)
Oldham 15,419 (259 away)
Port Vale 17,779 (1,283 away)
Walsall 15,671 (1,359 away)
Burton 17,140 (1,542 away)

So in total over the course of the whole season you'd be looking at less than 9K home fans, or under 375 a game who wouldn't get tickets.

Of course if more than 15K turn up to every game this season it will give lots of evidence to show that a 15K stadium is too small. Assume you've got your season ticket already SBK?

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

I really don't give a s**t what figures you're showing. CCFC will need a minimum capacity of 25k..... 27,306 (Gillingham first game back at Ricoh) You telling me you'd not give a f**k if 13.5k fans couldn't get a ticket? Full house against Crewe(JPT) Did those crowds actually happen Yes or No? Better to have a stadium with that sort of capacity from the get-go, than f**k about spending extra time/money extending. Common sense to me, don't know about anybody else. Thoughts guys?

chiefdave · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
I really don't give a s**t what figures you're showing. CCFC will need a minimum capacity of 25k..... 27,306 (Gillingham first game back at Ricoh) You telling me you'd not give a f**k if 13.5k fans couldn't get a ticket? Full house against Crewe(JPT) Did those crowds actually happen Yes or No? Better to have a stadium with that sort of capacity from the get-go, than f**k about spending extra time/money extending. Common sense to me, don't know about anybody else. Thoughts guys?

So one game after we'd been away for a year - which will hopefully never happen again. And another where we had to reduce tickets to a fiver to fill the ground. Great examples.

I would love to be taking about building a new 50K ground and filling it every week but we are where we are and have very limited options. If a 15K ground at the Butts offers a better financial future to CCFC than whatever deal Wasps will offer us to stay at the Ricoh then we should go for it.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Nonleagueherewecome, where are you mate lmfao

chiefdave said:
So one game after we'd been away for a year - which will hopefully never happen again. And another where we had to reduce tickets to a fiver to fill the ground. Great examples.

I would love to be taking about building a new 50K ground and filling it every week but we are where we are and have very limited options. If a 15K ground at the Butts offers a better financial future to CCFC than whatever deal Wasps will offer us to stay at the Ricoh then we should go for it.

Yayyyy we'll have the richest Club in non league football, maybe Conference at the very best. Yayyyyyyy Go for it Dave:facepalm:

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Old saying Dave.... Better to have something and not need it, than to need something and not have it!

Nick · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
Old saying Dave.... Better to have something and not need it, than to need something and not have it!

Depends on the cost difference though. I don't buy a ten bedroom house and I only need 3 in case the in laws and other family want to stay every couple of years.

Samo · May 31, 2016

chiefdave said:
So one game after we'd been away for a year - which will hopefully never happen again. And another where we had to reduce tickets to a fiver to fill the ground. Great examples.

I would love to be taking about building a new 50K ground and filling it every week but we are where we are and have very limited options. If a 15K ground at the Butts offers a better financial future to CCFC than whatever deal Wasps will offer us to stay at the Ricoh then we should go for it.

Why do you bother CD, honestly? It's like trying to teach ethics to a chimp. He will NEVER get it.

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Nick said:
Depends on the cost difference though. I don't buy a ten bedroom house and I only need 3 in case the in laws and other family want to stay every couple of years.

So do you think... buy the ground and build a 15k capacity stadium for (Arguments sake £20m) or a 25k capacity stadium for £40m? Or do you then in 3 years extend to 25k and think you will only pay the extra £20m?...... Rocks in your head if you think that will happen.

Nick · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
So do you think... buy the ground and build a 15k capacity stadium for (Arguments sake £20m) or a 25k capacity stadium for £40m? Or do you then in 3 years extend to 25k and think you will only pay the extra £20m?...... Rocks in your head if you think that will happen.

I don't know, that's why it depends on what the architect can do doesn't it?

Sky Blue Kid · May 31, 2016

Samo said:
Why do you bother CD, honestly? It's like trying to teach ethics to a chimp. He will NEVER get it.

You wouldn't know what ethics were if it kicked you in the bollox.....Galen.

Samo · May 31, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
You wouldn't know what ethics were if it kicked you in the bollox.....Galen.

God help us all if the likes of you has a monopoly on what is ethical. You should concentrate on constructing sentences for now.

italiahorse · May 31, 2016

Nick said:
I don't know, that's why it depends on what the architect can do doesn't it?

If its like Stadium MK then the concretes all in position upstairs and just needs finishing off and seats adding.

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