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What worries me about Doug King (1 Viewer)

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jto123

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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A lot of debate about his decisions. Getting rid of Robins obviously being the key one, which for what it’s worth I can understand. What really worries me though is his core belief that this squad should be top 6. Not only do I seriously disagree with it, but how can a man with no football experience be so confident in that opinion. It speaks of delusion that I worry drives all his other decisions.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #2
jto123 said:
A lot of debate about his decisions. Getting rid of Robins obviously being the key one, which for what it’s worth I can understand. What really worries me though is his core belief that this squad should be top 6. Not only do I seriously disagree with it, but how can a man with no football experience be so confident in that opinion. It speaks of delusion that I worry drives all his other decisions.
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Well let's see what we can bring in January.. plenty of time to turn things around with a couple of good additions and the fixtures ease off a bit now too
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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He has to say that. No team with our defensive unit will ever be top 6.
 
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jto123

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Evo1883 said:
Well let's see what we can bring in January.. plenty of time to turn things around with a couple of good additions and the fixtures ease off a bit now too
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But he talks as if the current squad should already be in the play offs. There isn’t a position where I wouldn’t think improvement is needed to push us to that point. I just hope he doesn’t think Lampard should be doing it with the ‘deck’ provided.
 
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Russell Slade

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Fully agree about the squad. I truly believe a midfield of Eccles, Sheaf, Rudoni/Torp and front 3 of Wright, Simms, Sakamoto is good enough for top 6, or at least to seriously challenge it. However in the summer I never understood the optimism from media outlets tipping us for 2nd/3rd/4th. With these centre back and left back options there is no way of a top 6 finish
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #6
What worries me about Doug King is that he knows nothing about football and is also an idiot
 
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Matt smith

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #7
Evo1883 said:
Well let's see what we can bring in January.. plenty of time to turn things around with a couple of good additions and the fixtures ease off a bit now too
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We’ve got a decent run of games now
 
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jto123

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Cally Fedora said:
He has to say that. No team with our defensive unit will ever be top 6.
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But presumably that is what has pushed his decision in sacking Robins, which makes me think he genuinely believes it.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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SeaSeeEffCee said:
What worries me about Doug King is that he knows nothing about football and is also an idiot
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jto123

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #10
Russell Slade said:
Fully agree about the squad. I truly believe a midfield of Eccles, Sheaf, Rudoni/Torp and front 3 of Wright, Simms, Sakamoto is good enough for top 6, or at least to seriously challenge it. However in the summer I never understood the optimism from media outlets tipping us for 2nd/3rd/4th. With these centre back and left back options there is no way of a top 6 finish
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I’m amazed you would think that midfield is top 6 material. Obviously happy to disagree, but I would argue in quantity alone it’s lacking.
 
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quinn1971

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #11
There’s not a coach in the world who can turn that lot into defenders, and collins was 3rd choice for a reason,
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Hopefully Lampard has already insisted that money needs to be spent in January and keep keeps his nose out of the playing side.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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If you don’t hold Robins accountable for our defensive record then who do you ?

Robins had final say on all signings

Robins chose defensive coach

Robins kept swapping our keepers and back 4 or 5
 
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JoeCCFCPUSB

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Hele learn the hard way that Binks, Thomas, Joel, Kitch, Jay DS and Bidwell are at best bottom 6 level of defenders.
 
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Covcraig@bury

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #15
What worries me is we are so weak and slow winning the second ball never mind the first .
we are so light and soft when tackling.
we need more Normans . Tonight it really was men v boys !!
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Deity said:
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Yes, I agree! King is a clown!
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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jto123 said:
But presumably that is what has pushed his decision in sacking Robins, which makes me think he genuinely believes it.
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You’re talking about someone who calls his squad “the deck” and is about to appoint Lampard. He may well believe it - which makes it more likely to be wrong.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #18
I wanted Robins to stay but can totally understand why King pulled the trigger
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #19
Deity said:
If you don’t hold Robins accountable for our defensive record then who do you ?

Robins had final say on all signings

Robins chose defensive coach

Robins kept swapping our keepers and back 4 or 5
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Give it a rest you fucking clown.
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #20
Deity said:
If you don’t hold Robins accountable for our defensive record then who do you ?

Robins had final say on all signings

Robins chose defensive coach

Robins kept swapping our keepers and back 4 or 5
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Yeah and it will be over to a new manager (hopefully soon) to see what they can do with the "Deck" and see what happens in January.
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #21
Evo1883 said:
Well let's see what we can bring in January.. plenty of time to turn things around with a couple of good additions and the fixtures ease off a bit now too
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At this rate I'll be happy with just staying up and avoiding a relegation battle .
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #22
Cally Fedora said:
You’re talking about someone who calls his squad “the deck” and is about to appoint Lampard. He may well believe it - which makes it more likely to be wrong.
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and players who are ‘Premier League fit’
 

Boicey

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #23
jto123 said:
A lot of debate about his decisions. Getting rid of Robins obviously being the key one, which for what it’s worth I can understand. What really worries me though is his core belief that this squad should be top 6. Not only do I seriously disagree with it, but how can a man with no football experience be so confident in that opinion. It speaks of delusion that I worry drives all his other decisions.
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What do you expect him to say?
We've spent £20m+ and are worse than before with no chance?
 

harvey098

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #24
Because Dean Austin told him it was. Nelt to do with me guv’nor, I dealt him a great deck, he’s just playing the wrong cards.

Recruitment has been shocking since Badlan left.
 
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Adge

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #25
Russell Slade said:
Fully agree about the squad. I truly believe a midfield of Eccles, Sheaf, Rudoni/Torp and front 3 of Wright, Simms, Sakamoto is good enough for top 6, or at least to seriously challenge it. However in the summer I never understood the optimism from media outlets tipping us for 2nd/3rd/4th. With these centre back and left back options there is no way of a top 6 finish
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You forgot to mention the keepers.
 

jim20

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #26
I think we have some great players, but poor balance in midfield and a bit light in defence (especially experience) I don’t think that was solely down to Robins, and if King thinks the recruitment has been amazing he is sorely mistaken.
It was the same with England in the summer, they were very unbalanced. I don’t feel they replaced Hamer or Kelly, and that has cost us this season. King decided it wasn’t down to recruitment so he sacked Robins, because he felt we had a strong “deck”, but he is wrong.
 
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Boicey

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #27
jim20 said:
I think we have some great players, but poor balance in midfield and a bit light in defence (especially experience) I don’t think that was solely down to Robins, and if King thinks the recruitment has been amazing he is sorely mistaken.
It was the same with England in the summer, they were very unbalanced. I don’t feel they replaced Hamer or Kelly, and that has cost us this season. King decided it wasn’t down to recruitment so he sacked Robins, because he felt we had a strong “deck”, but he is wrong.
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Just out of interest what 'great' players do we have?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #28
jto123 said:
A lot of debate about his decisions. Getting rid of Robins obviously being the key one, which for what it’s worth I can understand. What really worries me though is his core belief that this squad should be top 6. Not only do I seriously disagree with it, but how can a man with no football experience be so confident in that opinion. It speaks of delusion that I worry drives all his other decisions.
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It should be. It was close last season and the only players we’ve lost are COH and Palmer. Looking at their statistical outputs this season, we’re not missing much!

How did a back 5 of Collins, MVE, Thomas, Kitching and Bidwell go from conceding next to 0 goals in 10-12 games to now leaking an average of 2 goals a game?

Don’t get me wrong, we need 2-3 players to top up the team but we really aren’t far away from having a top team in this division.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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jim20 said:
I think we have some great players, but poor balance in midfield and a bit light in defence (especially experience) I don’t think that was solely down to Robins, and if King thinks the recruitment has been amazing he is sorely mistaken.
It was the same with England in the summer, they were very unbalanced. I don’t feel they replaced Hamer or Kelly, and that has cost us this season. King decided it wasn’t down to recruitment so he sacked Robins, because he felt we had a strong “deck”, but he is wrong.
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"...and I warned Doug King, I said if you get rid of Robins you'll be exposed. People will look at our deck and say 'there are two free transfers in that defence that didn't get decent offers elsewhere, a bunch of cheap kids that ain't at the level yet and how do we expect to compete when we were priced out of players like Luke Mcnally, Doyle and Paddy McNair'..."
Seriously though I was taking to a baggies and a Boro fan the other day and I do think people need to realise having one summer spending money is not the same as building over 5/10 years. Not all transfers, even big money transfers work out. Getting the entire defence right in one summer was always a big ask.
 
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covmutley

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #30
Deary me, a poor way result against a team at the top, led by coaches who may be out of a job tomorrow and it's melt down on here.

This squad was pushing for the top 6 before the distraction of the fa cup run.

Before the season started, many predictions said we were top 6 and so e suggested automatic promotio was a possibility. Wilder said we were yop 6 capable just a few days ago.
 
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Boicey

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
It should be. It was close last season and the only players we’ve lost are COH and Palmer. Looking at their statistical outputs this season, we’re not missing much!

How did a back 5 of Collins, MVE, Thomas, Kitching and Bidwell go from conceding next to 0 goals in 10-12 games to now leaking an average of 2 goals a game?

Don’t get me wrong, we need 2-3 players to top up the team but we really aren’t far away from having a top team in this division.
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I've got news for you we are miles from having a top team in this division.
 
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Boicey

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #32
covmutley said:
Deary me, a poor way result against a team at the top, led by coaches who may be out of a job tomorrow and it's melt down on here.

This squad was pushing for the top 6 before the distraction of the fa cup run.

Before the season started, many predictions said we were top 6 and so e suggested automatic promotio was a possibility. Wilder said we were yop 6 capable just a few days ago.
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Have a look at the table mate.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #33
Boicey said:
I've got news for you we are miles from having a top team in this division.
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We were 9th last season with largely the same team. By definition, we’re not far off the playoffs.
 
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Boicey

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #34
Mucca Mad Boys said:
We were 9th last season with largely the same team. By definition, we’re not far off the playoffs.
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Reality check. We're 10 points off the playoffs and playing shite.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 26, 2024
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Chris Wilder made one thing very clear. He knows he can get a consistent level of performance from his squad such that the minimum he gets is solid. Then you look at our players going into wildly inconsistent performances and see that they just can’t be relied upon as a group.

He was right to say that kind of stuff is what lost MR his job.
 
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