Are you saying Robins chose every player that has come in since King took over? Are you saying Robins chose to suddenly not have loan players to cover our weaknesses?
You're forgetting the narrativeRobins had the final say. He still had scouts like he did before King.
It was explained about Loan Players and parent clubs not wanting them going out and not playing so some were pointless like the Ayari one.
We signed the defenders we did when planning for a back 5 that we had to abandon because it didn't suit anyone else in the squad. If we can just avoid relegation then most of the duff signings can be offloaded. If we go down then we're stuck with the lot of them.We've made some shite signings and recruitment has been pretty poor overall, yes we may have brought in some good players but the balance is all wrong. Our defensive signings on a whole have been poor. If I was signing people from scratch based on what I've seen, I'd only sign Milan and Thomas out of the 7 senior defenders we have.
You keep the manager in place until the music stops. For Robins it lasted 7 years, and it was great. If Lampard is stinking the place out after 20 games then I won’t be imploring DK to hold fire just because it costs him less to stick with his own bad appointment.It's neither noble nor foolish, it's based on seeing the disaster that swapping managers every 5 minutes bring about.
It's not cheap either
Even if we get relegated?Jeez. If we’re to be considered a proper club Lampard has to be given this season and next as a minimum.
Get relegated and Lampard probably resigns and will never manage again.Even if we get relegated?
Even if we get relegated?
I did say even if.First off we are not going to be relegated, despite the frantic efforts of some to convince everyone we are all but down already.
Someone was on about giving him 4 windows, I get it but that still seems overly long to me, in my humble view he should get at least a full year before being seriously questioned.
And before anyone says it- pointing out we’ve seen nothing yet is not the same as saying he should be sacked.
There is constant comment on here and elsewhere about lack of mental strength, aggression and fighting spirit. And yet there was an appointment who was supposed to have been able to, amongst other things, improve those qualities. I will get pelters again for saying this, but I would suggest again that this has failed and, If it had anything to do with Viveash departure, ( not saying it did but IF), that failure compounds in to a disaster.
Even if we get relegated?
Can Never say never, unfortunately. Ive been through too many close shaves in 60 years to ever be entirely confident and we look pretty shit and devoid of anything at the moment. We have no game changers of note.Despite the SBT pearl clutching, it's not going to happen is it?
I’m shocked at that responsemakes sense.
There’s absolutely no point putting an arbitrary time limit on it. If we play like we did against Portsmouth every week then he’ll quite rightly be gone by Easter.Someone was on about giving him 4 windows, I get it but that still seems overly long to me, in my humble view he should get at least a full year before being seriously questioned.
As long as that?There’s absolutely no point putting an arbitrary time limit on it. If we play like we did against Portsmouth every week then he’ll quite rightly be gone by Easter.
You keep the manager in place until the music stops. For Robins it lasted 7 years, and it was great. If Lampard is stinking the place out after 20 games then I won’t be imploring DK to hold fire just because it costs him less to stick with his own bad appointment.
I’m shocked at that response
There’s absolutely no point putting an arbitrary time limit on it. If we play like we did against Portsmouth every week then he’ll quite rightly be gone by Easter.
Unfortunately there’s a vocal minority desperate for him and the club to fail.Jeez. If we’re to be considered a proper club Lampard has to be given this season and next as a minimum.
A team conceding goals for fun while struggling to score in no danger of going down?Despite the SBT pearl clutching, it's not going to happen is it?
There's a silent minority worried that we will get rid of Lampard the same way as Robins if we don't sort out our defensive problems and continue to lose games we should win.Unfortunately there’s a vocal minority desperate for him and the club to fail.
Last season produced my most memorable moment after 60 years of supporting this club, even more so than winning the cup. That 90 seconds after Torp had scored was simply unreal. I had never felt anything like that before in my life. Add that to the fantastic day at Molineux and there is no way that last season could be described as a failure.So why are so many people trying to paint last season as a disaster?
We definitely hoped for better but it wasn't a disaster.
Weren’t you gushing his praises after Millwall?There's a silent minority worried that we will get rid of Lampard the same way as Robins if we don't sort out our defensive problems and continue to lose games we should win.
We’re not getting relegated. But yes, even if we did.Even if we get relegated?
Have you seen something yet?First off we are not going to be relegated, despite the frantic efforts of some to convince everyone we are all but down already.
Someone was on about giving him 4 windows, I get it but that still seems overly long to me, in my humble view he should get at least a full year before being seriously questioned.
And before anyone says it- pointing out we’ve seen nothing yet is not the same as saying he should be sacked.
A team conceding goals for fun while struggling to score in no danger of going down?
We beat Blackburn 3-0 then followed it up with a stinker. Let's manage a few decent performances in a row shall we?We're not struggling to score and we won't go down.
Pot and kettle. Which bit of that statement is not running Lampard down ?You know as well as I do there is a cohort determined to run the guy down, so don’t play dumb. There is zero positive to say about Lampard, so the tactic is to point at Robins and unearth incredibly far-fetched reasons as to why he was average at best.
King said he wanted a side challenging for the play offs 3 out of 5 years didn't he, or something along those lines. Not that play offs were a minimum requirement every season. Certainly didn't sound like he classed the season as a failure, "Once more we have been competing for the Play-Off places in a very strong EFL Championship, only missing out on a top six position in the last two/three weeks." And we were told there was a thorough end of season review which didn't result in Robins going
He also wanted a cup run, can't say we failed to deliver on that request, "The FA Cup run was truly historic. Reaching our first Semi-Final for thirty-seven years and putting on such a heroic performance against Manchester United has showcased our Club again to both a national and international audience"
Really not sure why people are trying to make out last season was a disaster. The we only finished 9th because we had a run of winning games discourse is very strange. You can think it was the right time to get rid of Robins and still say last season wasn't terrible.
If you take King at his word Robins was sacked for the 14 games at the start of the season and nothing else.
Well I don't agree he should be on a shorter leash.
Sacking managers every 5 minutes might work for some clubs.
It's never been anything other than disastrous for us.
He should be given time.
Not sure that was his word.
Weird.
Yeah, not his word then.His words:
“We had a pretty good pre-season, to be fair, we were all at the Everton game and I think that was putting us under a false sense of security of what may occur when we got down to the real battle of trying to get out of this very difficult league.
“We then come to this point where we start badly, it’s a little unclear for all of us how it’s all working. Listen. I am talking here very openly. I have got employees who we are talking about who are fantastic coaches and who I respect very much. You saw what Rhys did at Sunderland and so I am putting a disclaimer on that because they are all fantastic people that this club respects very much.
“I had a meeting with Mark on September the 30th, I think it was, where I made it... Well, I shot him a memo and said to him that he has a few options. And the options were that we either keep it as it is or we look to put some hierarchy in. Or we look to, again, bring a head of first team coaching because I said he needs some balance, it seemed to me. That worked in the past, so we went out again to try to find a head of first team coaching and, again, we couldn’t get anyone through the door.
“The senior team of the club, myself, Dr Claire-Marie Roberts, Dean Austin and Mark met for a first quarter review to look at the situation on October 30, I think it was, and went through all the aspects of the football club. Anyway, it became clear that at this level, with this deck of players, we are lacking an elite coach/tactician to support the manager..”
Most managers aren’t very good. A few are OK and a tiny amount are excellent. They aren’t like players either where they get filtered out early. The trick is getting shot of the majority of awful ones early and keeping my hold of the good ones that turn up once every thirty years.
Some clubs seem to do well with appointments more consistently than others.
I think more owners/boards should focus on their selection procedures and the environment they're creating for managers to work in.
Southampton had a pretty good record for a while and they used to scout managers in the same way they scouted players. Gone a bit awry more recently so not sure if they still do it.
But changing managers every 5 minutes is an expensive business, not sure we've got the finances to support it without affecting the playing budget.
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