And it's long overdue that the government/politicians started to 'granstand' against Islamist terror. Because up until now they've shown to of done fuck all. Apart from in some cases (Sadiq Kahn, Jeremy Corbyn) when they are sympathizing with them! All in the name of political correctness! It's fucking embarrassing!They’re our responsibility. If they aren’t British whose are they?
They aren’t special, they aren’t the messiah, they’re just very naughty boys and should be tried like everyone else. This stuff is just emotive bollocks by grandstanding politicians.
And it's long overdue that the government/politicians started to 'granstand' against Islamist terror. Because up until now they've shown to of done fuck all. Apart from in some cases (Sadiq Kahn, Jeremy Corbyn) when they are sympathizing with them! All in the name of political correctness! It's fucking embarrassing!
In N.Ireland, when the IRA bombed somebody, they were called Catholic Irish, when a soldier was shot by the UDA they were called protestant. but if you call an IS terrorist an Islamist Muslim Your a racist!
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And it's long overdue that the government/politicians started to 'granstand' against Islamist terror. Because up until now they've shown to of done fuck all. Apart from in some cases (Sadiq Kahn, Jeremy Corbyn) when they are sympathizing with them! All in the name of political correctness! It's fucking embarrassing!
In N.Ireland, when the IRA bombed somebody, they were called Catholic Irish, when a soldier was shot by the UDA they were called protestant. but if you call an IS terrorist an Islamist Muslim Your a racist!
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All those made up words it us.Oh sorry mate didn’t realise you were mental.
Carry on.
What drivelAnd it's long overdue that the government/politicians started to 'granstand' against Islamist terror. Because up until now they've shown to of done fuck all. Apart from in some cases (Sadiq Kahn, Jeremy Corbyn) when they are sympathizing with them! All in the name of political correctness! It's fucking embarrassing!
In N.Ireland, when the IRA bombed somebody, they were called Catholic Irish, when a soldier was shot by the UDA they were called protestant. but if you call an IS terrorist an Islamist Muslim Your a racist!
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They’re our responsibility. If they aren’t British whose are they?
They aren’t special, they aren’t the messiah, they’re just very naughty boys and should be tried like everyone else. This stuff is just emotive bollocks by grandstanding politicians.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a terrorist sympathiser.Oh sorry mate didn’t realise you were mental.
Carry on.
Its number 2 clearlyWhat's the thinking behind revoking their citizenship before a trial? Had a quick google and all reports seem to use phrases such as alleged which would indication nothing has been proven.
Can only see two scenarios.
1) they're in a country with a justice system we believe is adequate so they could have a trial and if and when they are found guilty have their citizenship revoked.
2) they're in a country where there isn't an adequate justice system so by revoking their citizenship we have implicitly endorsed a corrupt system.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a terrorist sympathiser.
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If they were clearly involved there will be a large amount of evidence so the better option is to ensure they have a fair trial and then the heaviest sentences possible.They were clearly involved in the beheading of a lot of innocent people. So we should make sure that they get the lightest sentences possible and then let them come back to live in the UK and live happily ever after.
They were seen on videos. That is one of the reasons we knew who they are when it was all happening.If they were clearly involved there will be a large amount of evidence so the better option is to ensure they have a fair trial and then the heaviest sentences possible.
Thats assuming you don't want their fate to act as a brilliant recruitment tool for the terrorists.
So you're saying there's clear evidence. Why then is it a problem to follow due process and have a proper trial?They were seen on videos. That is one of the reasons we knew who they are when it was all happening.
For that to happen you need those undertaking terrorist activities to be clear thinking people who are weighing up the pros and cons before deciding what path to take. Not sure the people we see going overseas to fight for IS fit that description.How about it putting off others that go away to murder thinking they can just come back to the UK without a problem?
Either you don't have a clue what has gone on or you are just plain sick.So you're saying there's clear evidence. Why then is it a problem to follow due process and have a proper trial?
For that to happen you need those undertaking terrorist activities to be clear thinking people who are weighing up the pros and cons before deciding what path to take. Not sure the people we see going overseas to fight for IS fit that description.
Not defending anyone. All I'm saying is whats the point of having a legal process if you're going to randomly, and illegally, abandon it?Either you don't have a clue what has gone on or you are just plain sick.
Bullshit.....Every man and his dog knows what these cowardly scum did and they have no right to any legal process....Feed the fuckers to the pigs...Not defending anyone. All I'm saying is whats the point of having a legal process if you're going to randomly, and illegally, abandon it?
I've already said in this thread I'm not familiar with this case but its obviously easier for you to throw around insults than present any relevant information.
Everything thats come up on Google that I've read has things like this: 'believed to have been part', 'allegedly' and puts them as part of the so-called 'Beatles' but is unable to identify which person is which. The US have said they should come to the UK and be tried, Amber Rudd has said the same. Not to mention making someone stateless is a breach of international law.
In no way shape or form am I defending them. I want them to have the severest possible punishment and act as a deterrent to others. To do that we need to follow the established legal process. Doing otherwise makes them poster boys for IS recruitment.
And while it might be an open and shut case here with clear evidence out in the open for everyone to see that doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. Who gets to decide who is guilty without trial and doesn't get to have their case follow due process? It would most likely be down to Rudd and Johnson, would you trust them to get any decision right?
Except international law says they do have a right to legal process so if you want them to get their due punishment you follow the process and get it done otherwise they will just stay in limbo for years, probably decades, while the UN, US and UK argue over what is going to happen.Bullshit.....Every man and his dog knows what these cowardly scum did and they have no right to any legal process....Feed the fuckers to the pigs...
I promised i wouldn't have a drink tonight after yesterday ( why o why was i born in Cov..Why not Manchester/Liverpool) but you've rattled my cage. You really think that giving these traitors no legal rights will boost their recruitment then you're wrong.Except international law says they do have a right to legal process so if you want them to get their due punishment you follow the process and get it done otherwise they will just stay in limbo for years, probably decades, while the UN, US and UK argue over what is going to happen.
Follow the process and get them 'fed to the pigs' quickly. I would much prefer that to them being able to spin it out for years as someone has decided to start making things up as they go along.
If we choose to abandon the justice system then their treatment will be a huge boost to IS recruitment.
Surely everyone would agree the outcome we don't want is them being able to stall for decades receiving no punishment and increasing the numbers being recruited by IS?
I don't understand how you think by revoking their British citizenship will boost IS recruitment? If anything, I think I'll will put people off thinking they can do the same thing and just come home and live a normal life.Not defending anyone. All I'm saying is whats the point of having a legal process if you're going to randomly, and illegally, abandon it?
I've already said in this thread I'm not familiar with this case but its obviously easier for you to throw around insults than present any relevant information.
Everything thats come up on Google that I've read has things like this: 'believed to have been part', 'allegedly' and puts them as part of the so-called 'Beatles' but is unable to identify which person is which. The US have said they should come to the UK and be tried, Amber Rudd has said the same. Not to mention making someone stateless is a breach of international law.
In no way shape or form am I defending them. I want them to have the severest possible punishment and act as a deterrent to others. To do that we need to follow the established legal process. Doing otherwise makes them poster boys for IS recruitment.
And while it might be an open and shut case here with clear evidence out in the open for everyone to see that doesn't mean that will be the case in the future. Who gets to decide who is guilty without trial and doesn't get to have their case follow due process? It would most likely be down to Rudd and Johnson, would you trust them to get any decision right?
You really think that giving these traitors no legal rights will boost their recruitment then you're wrong.
Because the primary recruitment tool for IS is grievance against the west. I don't understand how you think by revoking their British citizenship will boost IS recruitment?
And how's proper process working so far? How many of the recent terror attacks were carried out by people on the "watchlist"? Why? If they're on the watch list, get them banged up or get them deported. The proper way is getting inocent people killed!CD is right to be fair, the authorities have to do things correctly, they can't act on emotion as we are doing.
I've just heard on the radio that a 78 year old man has killed a burglar and has been arrested, my reaction was good, fair play to the old fella. But the authorities can't feel like that, they have to follow proper process.
But you was asking hiw we knew they were guilty when it was a well known fact.Except international law says they do have a right to legal process so if you want them to get their due punishment you follow the process and get it done otherwise they will just stay in limbo for years, probably decades, while the UN, US and UK argue over what is going to happen.
Follow the process and get them 'fed to the pigs' quickly. I would much prefer that to them being able to spin it out for years as someone has decided to start making things up as they go along.
If we choose to abandon the justice system then their treatment will be a huge boost to IS recruitment.
Surely everyone would agree the outcome we don't want is them being able to stall for decades receiving no punishment and increasing the numbers being recruited by IS?
There is a process. Correct.CD is right to be fair, the authorities have to do things correctly, they can't act on emotion as we are doing.
I've just heard on the radio that a 78 year old man has killed a burglar and has been arrested, my reaction was good, fair play to the old fella. But the authorities can't feel like that, they have to follow proper process.
You might want to read the thread again.But you was asking hiw we knew they were guilty when it was a well known fact.
You've just linked to four articles that back up what I've been saying and contradict your assertion that the accusations have been proven.Britons Accused of Being Islamic State ‘Beatles’ Call Beheadings ‘Regrettable’
ISIS "Beatles" who beheaded James Foley and Steven Sotloff could face a U.S. trial
Syrian forces capture two members of notorious ISIL beheading cell known as ‘The Beatles’
Slain American's mom reacts to capture of alleged ISIS executioners
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