What is the end game? (1 Viewer)

Tonylinc · Dec 9, 2013

OK ACL have made the offer of a rent free deal at the Ricoh for the remainder of this season and £100,000 for as many seasons which CCFC remain in Div.1 This offer has been rejected out of hand. Now, what is the alternative:-

A shiny new stadium? No land purchased, no plans published and no contractors employed. Does anyone still think that this will become a reality?

A return to the Ricoh as owners? It is obvious that these parties do not get on and I cannot think that a deal for the transfer of this community asset can be struck.

So, given the above.......What is the end game? My own view is a franchise club within the next 2 years or so.......How depressing!!!!

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 9, 2013

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!

Grendel · Dec 9, 2013

A franchise club is not going to happen.

sky blue john · Dec 9, 2013

Your wrong TF has done something towards the new stadium. Did he not leave the scg meeting early to interview a lawyer ?

James Smith · Dec 9, 2013

sky blue john said:
Your wrong TF has done something towards the new stadium. Did he not leave the scg meeting early to interview a lawyer ?

Sky Blues Trust Guardian link

Not saying the two are related at all.

Delboycov · Dec 9, 2013

I believe they will carry on this bluff with 'Arena Tinpot' for as long as it takes to distress ACL no matter where that leaves us as a football club both financially and positionally....I reckon they will eventually purchase land and apply for planning permission in order to have their adversaries suitably bricking themselves. I don't think we've seen anything yet as far as how ruthless they can be.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 9, 2013

All depends on the Juducial Review outcome. With the loan deemed unlawful, ACL may be critically injured - at least from a lending if not business viability perspective.

If SISU lose the JR; I can't see a route open to them. I certainly don't see any evidence that a new stadium is on the cards, so the legal route seems the only game in town.

As such, the whole future of our club decided by a judge. As a product of legal persuasion or nuance. Doesn't seem a befitting judgement day for a club of our heritage. A club of any heritage for that matter

RFC · Dec 9, 2013

Tonylinc said:
OK ACL have made the offer of a rent free deal at the Ricoh for the remainder of this season and £100,000 for as many seasons which CCFC remain in Div.1 This offer has been rejected out of hand. Now, what is the alternative:-

A shiny new stadium? No land purchased, no plans published and no contractors employed. Does anyone still think that this will become a reality?

A return to the Ricoh as owners? It is obvious that these parties do not get on and I cannot think that a deal for the transfer of this community asset can be struck.

So, given the above.......What is the end game? My own view is a franchise club within the next 2 years or so.......How depressing!!!!

Sorry but I don't understand your logic? Why on earth would we become a franchise club? Just doesn't make any 'long-term' commercial sense!

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 9, 2013

RFC said:
Sorry but I don't understand your logic? Why on earth would we become a franchise club? Just doesn't make any 'long-term' commercial sense!

You incessantly and blindly preach The Gospel According To SISU. Can you tell me what the 'long term commercial sense' is in their direction?

Sky Blues · Dec 9, 2013

RFC said:
Sorry but I don't understand your logic? Why on earth would we become a franchise club? Just doesn't make any 'long-term' commercial sense!

By my rough calculations, neither does ignoring a lower rent offer to build a new stadium (unless long-term is defined as 50+ years) but that is what Sisu say they plan to do.

Having said that, I agree franchising the club is unlikely (unless they could get approval to play in Dublin in the Football League) because the biggest market without a league football team currently playing there is... Coventry.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Dec 9, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
You incessantly and blindly preach The Gospel According To SISU. Can you tell me what the 'long term commercial sense' is in their direction?

I await a 'visionary' response.. based on a long term sustainability through revenue stream argument.:thinking about:

ohitsaidwalker king power · Dec 9, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
All depends on the Juducial Review outcome. With the loan deemed unlawful, ACL may be critically injured - at least from a lending if not business viability perspective.

If SISU lose the JR; I can't see a route open to them. I certainly don't see any evidence that a new stadium is on the cards, so the legal route seems the only game in town.

As such, the whole future of our club decided by a judge. As a product of legal persuasion or nuance. Doesn't seem a befitting judgement day for a club of our heritage. A club of any heritage for that matter

Its a huge concern MMM I agree.. think the JR will be the release or the fait accompli... if SISU lose it could be oblivion. I really think its the proverbial Sh*t or bust.

Tonylinc · Dec 9, 2013

ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Its a huge concern MMM I agree.. think the JR will be the release or the fait accompli... if SISU lose it could be oblivion. I really think its the proverbial Sh*t or bust.

And the same token if they win it will not????

ohitsaidwalker king power · Dec 9, 2013

Tonylinc said:
And the same token if they win it will not????

Yes exactly Tony.. Regrettably I think SISU are now in the box seat... lose and its a spiral to the bottom- insolvency, an inability for the fixtures to be fulfilled and football league banishment as a matter of course; win and well lets just say they will persue the council/ACL all over town and back... with the Ricoh squeezed out the middle and into their hands. My personal contempt for them cannot be written.. but think they have all bases now covered, as wrong and as desperate as it is- the play ground bully appears to be winning. They have played the long game- have lost financially in the short term, but I fear they will ultimately get what they want, with the financial gains that it will undoubtedly bring or...... we all lose. Loathed as I am to admit it?

Como · Dec 9, 2013

I do not see how SISU can win, maybe reduce their loses.

The Club can not be worth very much, hardly any assets, presumably the biggest one is the golden share.

Whatever you think of SISU they have 'invested' a large sum.

I would have thought that the best case scenario would be to get out with a smaller loss, and the only asset that anybody has mentioned is the Ricoh and the land that surrounds it.

They would presumably have to pay something for the Ricoh, well something more than anybody else would, just wonder how much more they could then sell it for?

Not as if the Club being back there in the current Division is going to produce a lot of extra income vs expenses.

The Gentleman · Dec 9, 2013

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
You incessantly and blindly preach The Gospel According To SISU. Can you tell me what the 'long term commercial sense' is in their direction?

Please don't hold your breath !

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 10, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Please don't hold your breath !

I'm going purple.... :laugh:

Ashdown1 · Dec 10, 2013

ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Yes exactly Tony.. Regrettably I think SISU are now in the box seat... lose and its a spiral to the bottom- insolvency, an inability for the fixtures to be fulfilled and football league banishment as a matter of course; win and well lets just say they will persue the council/ACL all over town and back... with the Ricoh squeezed out the middle and into their hands. My personal contempt for them cannot be written.. but think they have all bases now covered, as wrong and as desperate as it is- the play ground bully appears to be winning. They have played the long game- have lost financially in the short term, but I fear they will ultimately get what they want, with the financial gains that it will undoubtedly bring or...... we all lose. Loathed as I am to admit it?

If this becomes reality then I'm out and I predict I won't be on my own !

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 10, 2013

RFC said:
Sorry but I don't understand your logic? Why on earth would we become a franchise club? Just doesn't make any 'long-term' commercial sense!

....I appreciate that RFC has differing views to the vast majority on this forum.....and the significant majority of CCFC supporters in the wider, real world, but his assertion quoted above is correct.....

....as things currently stand, the best place in the whole of the UK to place a franchise club is in Coventry.....a large City with a 30,000+ capacity stadium and no team.

Certainly NOT in Northants.....a small backwater already equipped with a 4th tier side & a 4th tier ground...

That said....I have no idea what the end game is.....

Some days I think Sisu are an "evil genius" hedge-fund & other days I think they make Mike Mc Gin "n" T & Brian Richarse look like grounded clever competent honest upstanding businessmen....

Ashdown1 · Dec 10, 2013

RFC is a troll, nothing more. Probably that rogue 'Hackney Fox' or AN Other !

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Dec 10, 2013

Dublin is not in the United Kingdom so not relevant, but Glasgow is (currently anyway) as is Swansea, Cardiff and Newport .

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 10, 2013

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
Dublin is not in the United Kingdom so not relevant, but Glasgow is (currently anyway) as is Swansea, Cardiff and Newport .

So is Bristol, Cambridge & Uttoxeter....

...was this just a random statement of towns/cities in the UK or are you suggesting the locations you mention would be a better location for a franchise club.....

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 10, 2013

Ashdown1 said:
RFC is a troll, nothing more. Probably that rogue 'Hackney Fox' or AN Other !

Neh; Hackney Fox had style this dullard couldn't even wish to aspire to, Ashy. It's like comparing a sabre to a spoon

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