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What have SISU have done to Coventry City (10 Viewers)

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  • Start date Feb 22, 2014
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rondog1973

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  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #71
Grendel said:
Please provide one post where I have defended sisu's actions.
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You did once post that CCC/ACL were "100% to blame" for the club finding itself in Northampton.

So by that reckoning Sisu are blameless?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #72
skybluetony176 said:
I'll take that as a yes.
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Sorry? I doubt whatever happens Swansea fans will be affected or care. Its a red herring. It will not hamper the club only the council and the fans will I assure you not care less.

I support the club tony and yes would take the Ricoh free and would care less about the consequences for anyone else. That's because I love the club - tony I think you can't look in the mirror and say the same can you?
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #73
Grendel said:
Please provide one post where I have defended sisu's actions.
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Or even a post where a solution is suggested?
 
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Spionkop

New Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #74
Mark82 says ...."It would make little difference over the 90% boycott now."

A 100% boycott would make it impossible for Sisu to carry on in Northampton. Absolutely no doubt about it.
 
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Spagbol

New Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #75
Has to be 100% boycott! It is the only way. positive from SISU~ they have made us incredibly lean as an organisation! got rid of a lot deadwood. Negative... They have killed my club and if they do not return to the Ricoh next season, it will never recover.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #76
Grendel said:
Sorry? I doubt whatever happens Swansea fans will be affected or care. Its a red herring. It will not hamper the club only the council and the fans will I assure you not care less.

I support the club tony and yes would take the Ricoh free and would care less about the consequences for anyone else. That's because I love the club - tony I think you can't look in the mirror and say the same can you?
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So you know what the outcome is going to be. Are you psychic Sally? Just that you keep announcing that she's on at the ricoh as well so it would make sense.

Here's the thing. There is actually more to life than football, if you had a life I guess you would know this. And the same basic principal that stops me going to sixfields also means that i understand it's not the job of local authorities that are funded by tax payers to ensure that hedge funds based in tax havens turn a profit.

They haven't even said whether the club would own the ricoh should sisu gain control of it, in fact they deliberately seem to muddy the waters on this. Yes we might be there on a peppercorn rent with access to match day income streams but they could also take that revenue straight back out in management fees. We may be no better of and the entire population of Coventry could get screwed in the meantime. And if your a Coventry tax payer and ccfc supporter you would be getting screwed twice
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #77
skybluetony176 said:
So you know what the outcome is going to be. Are you psychic Sally? Just that you keep announcing that she's on at the ricoh as well so it would make sense.

Here's the thing. There is actually more to life than football, if you had a life I guess you would know this. And the same basic principal that stops me going to sixfields also means that i understand it's not the job of local authorities that are funded by tax payers to ensure that hedge funds based in tax havens turn a profit.

They haven't even said whether the club would own the ricoh should sisu gain control of it, in fact they deliberately seem to muddy the waters on this. Yes we might be there on a peppercorn rent with access to match day income streams but they could also take that revenue straight back out in management fees. We may be no better of and the entire population of Coventry could get screwed in the meantime. And if your a Coventry tax payer and ccfc supporter you would be getting screwed twice
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And you call me a troll. Hilarious.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #78
Grendel said:
Please provide one post where I have defended sisu's actions.
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Do I have to dig it out?

We were having a debate and you said words to the effect of SISU's hard ball tactics are right. (Withholding rent threatening to build new stadium not accepting the rent deal)

As in the end it will benefit the club.

I warned you today it is ACL suffering from SISU's tactics tomorrow it could be the fans....

I am paraphrasing
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #79
Grendel said:
And you call me a troll. Hilarious.
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That just confirms I'm right.

I can't ever remember calling you a troll though.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #80
Spionkop said:
Mark82 says ...."It would make little difference over the 90% boycott now."

A 100% boycott would make it impossible for Sisu to carry on in Northampton. Absolutely no doubt about it.
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How would it? Financially it makes very little difference. It's already embarrassing for them getting crowds of under 2000. They just don't give a shit. Tell me in what way it would make them change there mind.
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #81
mark82 said:
To be fair, it's probably true. Doesn't make it right though.
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Really, how do you know this. Nothing Sisu have done in the last 12-18 months suggests to me that they would have invested in the squad. We played at the Ricoh last season and how much did they spend in the summer? Don't forget that Fisher's attendance predictions forecast way above what they actually are so if they wanted to invest in the squad, with the players that left would have meant we could have spent money on players. There is no basis whatsoever that higher attendances at Sixfields would have meant investment in the squad.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #82
The Gentleman said:
Really, how do you know this. Nothing Sisu have done in the last 12-18 months suggests to me that they would have invested in the squad. We played at the Ricoh last season and how much did they spend in the summer? Don't forget that Fisher's attendance predictions forecast way above what they actually are so if they wanted to invest in the squad, with the players that left would have meant we could have spent money on players. There is no basis whatsoever that higher attendances at Sixfields would have meant investment in the squad.
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Fair point, I meant more that they were using the money to cover losses. If they had more incoming there would certainly be more chance of "spending". It would be tough for them to justify much in the way of spending under financial fair play at the moment.

I brought up the fact a boycott would likely lead to a reduction in spending ability in the summer, even from the low amount back then. The boycott is the right thing to do but we have to be willing to accept that our actions will have consequences. People seemed to accept that then but ate now moaning (talking generally rather than about individuals).
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #83
mark82 said:
Fair point, I meant more that they were using the money to cover losses. If they had more incoming there would certainly be more chance of "spending". It would be tough for them to justify much in the way of spending under financial fair play at the moment.

I brought up the fact a boycott would likely lead to a reduction in spending ability in the summer, even from the low amount back then. The boycott is the right thing to do but we have to be willing to accept that our actions will have consequences. People seemed to accept that then but ate now moaning (talking generally rather than about individuals).
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I think that's fair but it's not what Tim said to the football league about funding the losses.

And where are they, what are their thoughts?

Again happy to lie low for judicial review but really do fear we will be in league 2 next year
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #84
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think that's fair but it's not what Tim said to the football league about funding the losses.

And where are they, what are their thoughts?

Again happy to lie low for judicial review but really do fear we will be in league 2 next year
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They said they would fund the losses. They didn't say they would use income received to fund transfers to keep the fans happy.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #85
Not to keep me happy just to enable the team to compete, that's all
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #86
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not to keep me happy just to enable the team to compete, that's all
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We'd all like that, but as I say, have to accept the consequences of our actions. Anyway, the less debt they load on the club the more chance we have of surviving and competing long term , post Sisu.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 22, 2014
  • #87
Probably true. Really struggling to stay interested not getting to watch my team
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #88
Got to admit this is the first time that I haven't listened to a game I haven't attended when in the country. took a look at 6.00 to see what the score was.
Will not make any comments on the game as i don;t know if we played well or not.

Sad sad times .
 

ccfc_Tom

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #89
i went to see comedian seann walsh tonight at the warwick arts centre and he mentioned cov in northampton and some cov fans were kicking off with him about it starting a debate!? was mental- walsh had to remind them it wasn't a forum to discuss sisu but in fact a comedy gig... Had me in stitches though. I Literally can't escape a sisu debate wherever i am.
 
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #90
JACK FUCKING SHIT,

Nothing absolutely nothing :blue:
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #91
mark82 said:
To be fair, it's probably true. Doesn't make it right though.
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I'd agree that was true, and as a sixfields boycotter I accept the consequences of low attendances. Personally I would rather see the club in the blue square south that a full sixfields.

Us boycotters should accept that our actions will inadvertently affect the standard of the team (for me that is a price worth paying), just in the same way that those that do go to sixfields are inadvertently supporting the principle of playing in Northampton.
 
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Snozz_is_god

New Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #92
I have a solution to the Ricoh problem

Offer Coventry Speedway use of the Ricoh, turn it into a speedway track, along with Stock Car racing

It would be interesting to see what SISU do then.
 
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will am i

Active Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #93
Grendel said:
Of course - what real fan wouldn't?
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Wouldnt that contravene state aid laws and surely SISU couldnt accept that
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #94
Snozz_is_god said:
Offer Coventry Speedway use of the Ricoh, turn it into a speedway track, along with Stock Car racing

It would be interesting to see what SISU do then.
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Most probably threaten to "batter the Coventry Bees in court".
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #95
I agree. They should. After all the Ricoh can't be just left there standing empty, can it?

Snozz_is_god said:
Offer Coventry Speedway use of the Ricoh, turn it into a speedway track, along with Stock Car racing

It would be interesting to see what SISU do then.
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #96
bigfatronssba said:
Most probably threaten to "batter the Coventry Bees in court".
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I don't think even sisu would dare incase they got stung.




See what I did there ;-)
 
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6 Generations

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #97
Snozz_is_god said:
Offer Coventry Speedway use of the Ricoh, turn it into a speedway track, along with Stock Car racing

It would be interesting to see what SISU do then.
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And why not build a dog track around it? 2 birds'.....
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #98
bigfatronssba said:
I'd agree that was true, and as a sixfields boycotter I accept the consequences of low attendances. Personally I would rather see the club in the blue square south that a full sixfields.

Us boycotters should accept that our actions will inadvertently affect the standard of the team (for me that is a price worth paying), just in the same way that those that do go to sixfields are inadvertently supporting the principle of playing in Northampton.
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Divisive garbage.
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #99
Grendel said:
Divisive garbage.
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Yes you are.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #100
Grendel said:
They would be where we are if they had our council
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So you are saying that Swansea would be in Northampton?

Why don't you answer certain questions for once.

Do you trust SISU?

You say that the Ricoh should be handed over to CCFC. Sod the council, taxpayer and charity. Yet Timothy has admitted that our club wouldn't own the Ricoh. It would be owned by a hedge fund. So how could it be handed over to our club?

Who should pay off all the contracts that SISU want getting rid of before getting the freehold for next to nothing?

How can they get around the laws that stop this sort of thing happening?

But as usual you will just ignore this thread, ignore the questions, change the subject or come out with silly answers that can't happen.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #101
GaryPendrysEyes said:
Yes you are.
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So in your view suggesting fans going to Sixfields supporting the move to Northampton isn't dividing supporters? Care to explain that?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #102
Astute said:
So you are saying that Swansea would be in Northampton?

Why don't you answer certain questions for once.

Do you trust SISU?

You say that the Ricoh should be handed over to CCFC. Sod the council, taxpayer and charity. Yet Timothy has admitted that our club wouldn't own the Ricoh. It would be owned by a hedge fund. So how could it be handed over to our club?

Who should pay off all the contracts that SISU want getting rid of before getting the freehold for next to nothing?

How can they get around the laws that stop this sort of thing happening?

But as usual you will just ignore this thread, ignore the questions, change the subject or come out with silly answers that can't happen.
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No no. Didn't you know? Grendull talks more sense than anyone else on here. It says so on GMK so it must be true.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #103
Grendel said:
So in your view suggesting fans going to Sixfields supporting the move to Northampton isn't dividing supporters? Care to explain that?
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Inadvertently of course they are. If you pay to use/buy a product or service you are supporting that product or service. Here the product is CCFC playing in Northampton. Its not that difficult to understand.

I accept that no one wants to be playing in Northampton, but those going need to accept their responsibilities and not just shrug their shoulders and say nothing to do with me gov.

Do you think those staying away are damaging the quality of the team?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #104
Astute said:
So you are saying that Swansea would be in Northampton?

Why don't you answer certain questions for once.

Do you trust SISU?

You say that the Ricoh should be handed over to CCFC. Sod the council, taxpayer and charity. Yet Timothy has admitted that our club wouldn't own the Ricoh. It would be owned by a hedge fund. So how could it be handed over to our club?

Who should pay off all the contracts that SISU want getting rid of before getting the freehold for next to nothing?

How can they get around the laws that stop this sort of thing happening?

But as usual you will just ignore this thread, ignore the questions, change the subject or come out with silly answers that can't happen.
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Swansea would be bankrupt

I trust sisu as much as the council with our club - not very much

Many clubs are owned by holding companies. Any owner not suggesting this would be an idiot

The next remark straight from the Mucas book of business suggests if this is true no business has ever made it happen in the history of the world. Hard to believe.
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Feb 23, 2014
  • #105
Problem is that SISU's approach, more than their actions as such, is what has alienated fans and the other key stakeholders - without those, the club has no chance of succeeding. SISU's "negotation" tactics may work in the world of cut throat property and high finance, but it's just had the effect of getting the council disgruntled and disengaged.

The performance yesterday and our general position as a club is the price we are paying for the aggressive behaviour of our proprietors.
 
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