What does the future hold for league 1 and 2 (1 Viewer)

Evo1883 · May 21, 2020

Cant be the only one concerned for the future of clubs in these divisions, with no guarantee of even playing again in 2020 and with so little money filtered from the top down how will they survive.
I understand a rescue package is being considered but to me I firmly believe if we did/do stay in this league next season we'd be royally fucked financially

Terry_dactyl · May 22, 2020

Evo1883 said:
Cant be the only one concerned for the future of clubs in these divisions, with no guarantee of even playing again in 2020 and with so little money filtered from the top down how will they survive.
I understand a rescue package is being considered but to me I firmly believe if we did/do stay in this league next season we'd be royally fucked financially

Big worry for a lot of clubs.
I actually think we’d survive. Sisu might be a lot of things but quitters they ain’t. Think they’ve proven over that last few years that ‘by hook or by crook’ they’re going to get their investment back.
Anyway, let’s hope we don’t have to find out.

bawtryneal · May 22, 2020

It is certainly great timing to be getting promoted and mixing it again with the big boys in the championship.
Whilst we should have certain sympathies for the League 1 and 2 teams, hopefully it is not our problem. Furthermore the championship should be more of a level playing field for the next couple of seasons due to the coronavirus effect. Might be an opportune moment for SISU to bring in a partner with some modest investment and within a couple of seasons could be back in the Premier League !!

BornSlippySkyBlue · May 22, 2020

Not sure if posted elsewhere:

Coronavirus: Ten football clubs could go bust in weeks without urgent govt bailout, MP warns

Flying Fokker · May 22, 2020

Terry_dactyl said:
Big worry for a lot of clubs.
I actually think we’d survive. Sisu might be a lot of things but quitters they ain’t. Think they’ve proven over that last few years that ‘by hook or by crook’ they’re going to get their investment back.
Anyway, let’s hope we don’t have to find out.

You’ve got more confidence than me. The original post referred to League one and two.
The Championship will have TV revenue.

Sky Blue Pete · May 22, 2020

It makes the posturing from Ipswich Portsmouth Sunderland all the more stupid

it’s conceivable that league 1 and 2 will need to merge if clubs disappear. That’s the priority here

Yorkshire SB · May 22, 2020

My opinion, owners will use this as a chance to start again.

Admin will be on the table for about half the clubs, and will probably go unpunished (if the EFL want the leagues to continue), some clubs will be relieved of it.

Any player with no significant resale value will be released (contracts frustrated due to act of god), or have to accept minimal salary in the non playing period. Ultimately the clubs will hold all the cards so the PFA are going to be in a tough situation. When players do return the pay is going to be a good chunk lower. Loads will drop out of the professional game.

Ultimately the losers will be the owners (to an extent), the players (hugely), and any creditors.

tisza · May 22, 2020

Football finance is a mess.
Even with the money awash in the PL clubs have let wages in particular get ridiculously out of control. Many clubs have wage bills in excess of 70% of turnover.
In the Championship you've got clubs paying out more in wages than their income.
Already there is serious talk of wage caps, squad size reductions in EFL.
Apparently Championship players already being offered new contracts on much lower wages - although still very decent sums.

Talk of how with 1400 players out of contract at end of June many won't find new clubs.

Grounds could easily be closed until end of the year or further if the predicted 2nd outbreak comes. Then it won't be the 5-10 clubs Collins is talking about, it'll be a majority of EFL clubs.
Talk of PL bailing out EFL clubs seems optimistic - that's a self serving entity that's already screwed EFL with the youth football rule changes in exchange for a bit of cash.

Can see a return to the old North/South setup for L1 & 2 purely for financial reasons.

Don't see a Govt bailout. How can they justify letting so many other companies go the wall then bail out privately-owned businesses? Or justify financing footballers wages that are way beyond most public service employees?

Legia Sky Blue · May 22, 2020

It is true that the timing of this and the impact on the lower leagues means it is even more crucial that we get promoted at this time. This is also where I have some sympathy for the bigger clubs left behind, because I don't believe we would have been happy to wipe out next season if we were still in League 1. It would be nice to think that the FA and PL might step into support these lower clubs, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that, and in terms of PL support I would be wary of it being at the cost of those clubs emasculating themselves into official feeder clubs. The big clubs will not be satisfied to not play the 2020/21 season if other football continues in Championship and above, and those left in League 1 who don't feel they can carry on playing next season without going bust, might have to accept relegation to League 2 as a consequence, in order for that league to continue next season in some form or other. It's tough but if it means the long term survival of those clubs it's a price they may have to pay.

wingy · May 22, 2020

Yorkshire SB said:
My opinion, owners will use this as a chance to start again.

Admin will be on the table for about half the clubs, and will probably go unpunished (if the EFL want the leagues to continue), some clubs will be relieved of it.

Any player with no significant resale value will be released (contracts frustrated due to act of god), or have to accept minimal salary in the non playing period. Ultimately the clubs will hold all the cards so the PFA are going to be in a tough situation. When players do return the pay is going to be a good chunk lower. Loads will drop out of the professional game.

Ultimately the losers will be the owners (to an extent), the players (hugely), and any creditors.

All entirely plausible .

covboy1987 · May 22, 2020

Evo1883 said:
Cant be the only one concerned for the future of clubs in these divisions, with no guarantee of even playing again in 2020 and with so little money filtered from the top down how will they survive.
I understand a rescue package is being considered but to me I firmly believe if we did/do stay in this league next season we'd be royally fucked financially

Fan attendance is the key –Without fan attendance I would fear for survival of any of the leagues and that includes the Premier league – Behind closed doors is something that may work very short term but for me watching it is like watching paint dry, the players are not giving everything and the atmosphere dead. I would not pay TV on a regular bases to watch that type of football –

Flying Fokker · May 22, 2020

10 points dedu

tisza said:
Football finance is a mess.
Even with the money awash in the PL clubs have let wages in particular get ridiculously out of control. Many clubs have wage bills in excess of 70% of turnover.
In the Championship you've got clubs paying out more in wages than their income.
Already there is serious talk of wage caps, squad size reductions in EFL.
Apparently Championship players already being offered new contracts on much lower wages - although still very decent sums.

Talk of how with 1400 players out of contract at end of June many won't find new clubs.

Grounds could easily be closed until end of the year or further if the predicted 2nd outbreak comes. Then it won't be the 5-10 clubs Collins is talking about, it'll be a majority of EFL clubs.
Talk of PL bailing out EFL clubs seems optimistic - that's a self serving entity that's already screwed EFL with the youth football rule changes in exchange for a bit of cash.

Can see a return to the old North/South setup for L1 & 2 purely for financial reasons.

Don't see a Govt bailout. How can they justify letting so many other companies go the wall then bail out privately-owned businesses? Or justify financing footballers wages that are way beyond most public service employees?

Good post. Which makes me wonder if Nationalisation of businesses a bit like the banking industry. Somewhere along the line a lot of money is going to be made by the fat cats.

Evo1883 · May 22, 2020

Just looking on sky sports now man utds debt is over 400 mill and you have clubs on the verge of collapse over a few thousand... Mental sport

clint van damme · May 22, 2020

There was a fella on the radio today, I'm not sure Who he was as I turned on mid interview, and he was saying that any government bail out should be given in exchange for a share of the club which would then be sold to supporters.

Wonder what people think of that idea?

Deleted member 5849 · May 22, 2020

clint van damme said:
There was a fella on the radio today, I'm not sure Who he was as I turned on mid interview, and he was saying that any government bail out should be given in exchange for a share of the club which would then be sold to supporters.

Wonder what people think of that idea?

In principle, that doesn't sound a bad idea at all. The fine detail would be a challenge however, and it wouldn't have much effect on the major clubs.

ccfcricoh · May 22, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
It makes the posturing from Ipswich Portsmouth Sunderland all the more stupid

it’s conceivable that league 1 and 2 will need to merge if clubs disappear. That’s the priority here

Worringly i can see this happening, Premier League/Championsip/Football League/non league (no L1 and L2 separate)

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