The watchmaker
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We are 9th favourite for promotion with the bookies at 20/1. You can get 750/1 on Plymouth. You should lump on!!
We are 9th favourite for promotion with the bookies at 20/1. You can get 750/1 on Plymouth. You should lump on!!If we average 2 points a game from today we may make the play offs. To be able to achieve that would be improbable to say the least.
Plymouth and Cardiff has as much chance as us at this stage.
Not sure what the big risk would have been?
People are saying you can't expect the new man to get play offs, which I agree with, only a fool thinks we were heading for relegation, so either way, bar something extraordinary, we're heading for mid table.
It was completely different
Not sure what the big risk would have been?
People are saying you can't expect the new man to get play offs, which I agree with, only a fool thinks we were heading for relegation, so either way, bar something extraordinary, we're heading for mid table.
Thought it might be!
The silly relegation talk is just blatantly attempting to lower expectation, we all know that.
Funnily enough he deleted that bit from the quote.He literally explained why.
Yes but thats because of the awful start.
That's why I have said if it was July now then of course the expectation should be the same if not higher.
The silly relegation talk is just blatantly attempting to lower expectation, we all know that.
So we've got rid of Robins to get to the same place we were heading anyway?
The whole thing makes no sense.
So we've got rid of Robins to get to the same place we were heading anyway?
The whole thing makes no sense.
He literally explained why.
Well by the start of next season the aim is to not give everybody else a 15 game head start.
It's nonsense to say its completely different. There are huge parallels even if it isn't an identical situation.
And I'm fairly sure you were one of the ones at the time saying the pitch debacle wasn't an excuse!
I agree we were not gonna get relegated but to be fair the people angry robins is gone were also on here panicking about relegation I remember. It's just they were blaming it on recruitment and Doug.Not sure what the big risk would have been?
People are saying you can't expect the new man to get play offs, which I agree with, only a fool thinks we were heading for relegation, so either way, bar something extraordinary, we're heading for mid table.
Indeed. But we've been there before.
But now we've got a new man coming inside you're all downgrading your expectations, it’s bizarre.
No one can say where we were heading but the trajectory was going downwards for the second season in a row
Instant SuccessWhat it says. What will justify the sacking for you?
Talking this season specifically.
I agree we were not gonna get relegated but to be fair the people angry robins is gone were also on here panicking about relegation I remember. It's just they were blaming it on recruitment and Doug.
Indeed. But we've been there before.
But now we've got a new man coming inside you're all downgrading your expectations, its bizarre.
I am saying why it's different from now. We haven't got 2 games in hand, we haven't had an interruption to the start of the season.
Our record against top half teams last season was atrocious and we accumulate a large amount of points last season against the lower teams.
We have already lost to poor teams at home this season - the home form has been dire.
We will need around 60 points to get the play offs from where we are now. That is auto promotion form
It's really not hard to grasp. The expectations are different to the start of the season because we are 15 games in, 1 point above relegation.
If we were 15 games in and 10 points clear at the top, the expectations would be different again.
If it was now pre season, the expectation would be different.
I'm not the one who's changed my expectations, I'd have been fine with finishing 9th - 11th under Robins, I'll be fine with that from the new fella.
I'll leave the goal post moving to the Robins out brigade.
Unfortunately the new chap is inheriting a misfiring front line with Haji expected to be out for a lengthy period.
In pre season, 11th was acceptable?
There are ten teams outside the top six in this supposedly weak division who are currently in an even more advantageous position. What makes you so convinced they are all likely to underachieve for the rest of the season as we turn things round en route to the playoffs?
Our record against top half teams last season was atrocious and we accumulate a large amount of points last season against the lower teams.
We have already lost to poor teams at home this season - the home form has been dire.
We will need around 60 points to get the play offs from where we are now. That is auto promotion form
It's most likely worse than that, taking a longer term view. Robins' tenure here for so many years was pretty much unique. The way it works across English football is that managers are churned on a very regular basis. If you don't deliver success within a couple of years (statistically most likely because every year the vast majority of teams don't get promoted or win a trophy) you are deemed a failure and replaced, and the cycle begins again.So we've got rid of Robins to get to the same place we were heading anyway?
There's already people making excuses for next season, let alone this one! Heard people saying how hard the championship will be next season with Prem clubs being relegated and that is unrealistic to assume a new manager will be pushing for promotion next year, its crazy.all this pissing around with models and justifications- they just wanted him gone and now are scrabbling around getting the excuses ready in case it turns out it was a bad move after all. Incredibly transparent.
Of course it does, and I agree our xG stats suggest there are better performances likely ahead. But there is no guarantee of it coming to pass and the first 15 games have put us at a huge disadvantage.See post #338.
We don't know anything - which is why people can't say we won't make POs.
What's our xG that people keep on banging on about?? 4th/5th in the table.
It works both ways.
Having had the same manager for 7 years we are talking about sacking Lampard before he has been appointed.It's most likely worse than that, taking a longer term view. Robins' tenure here for so many years was pretty much unique. The way it works across English football is that managers are churned on a very regular basis. If you don't deliver success within a couple of years (statistically most likely because every year the vast majority of teams don't get promoted or win a trophy) you are deemed a failure and replaced, and the cycle begins again.
The club has now signed up for that tombola, which is the natural consequence of removing Robins, and I assume those who wanted him out are cool with it.
A better bet would be to not appoint him in the first place.Having had the same manager for 7 years we are talking about sacking Lampard before he has been appointed.
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