Brighton Sky Blue
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I would argue it does the opposite based on the high chance of bullying likely to be incurred from someone serious about changing gender identity.
I would argue it does the opposite based on the high chance of bullying likely to be incurred from someone serious about changing gender identity.The problem is it’s the school environment helps the behaviours and desire to self identity as a different gender
I’m assuming it’s still a tiny minority of students but one suspects a large percentage are not really looking at identity change at all
Your comparison is a silly one, but anyway - I don’t think it’s sustainable for teachers to insist on “We know better and you’re making it up” when it comes to these things.No, but if the headmaster goes all in and asks you to call the kid Richard Dawkins when their parents are t around you should refuse to get involved in the whole charade
The problem is it’s the school environment helps the behaviours and desire to self identity as a different gender
I’m assuming it’s still a tiny minority of students but one suspects a large percentage are not really looking at identity change at all
Your comparison is a silly one, but anyway - I don’t think it’s sustainable for teachers to insist on “We know better and you’re making it up” when it comes to these things.
Well that depends on if you see that as a problem.
Of course these people are young and impressionable and it can be a very confusing time in life. But at the same time allowing them to explore these while they're still not of an age to be able to make final decisions for themselves they can work out if it's just a phase or if it's a more permanent feeling.
It's like kids that are given a very strict upbringing often go over the top when they get the chance to make their own decisions.
And I don't think it's a bad thing to have kids looking at people being different - it makes them more likely to be empathetic and tolerant adults.
Your comparison is a silly one, but anyway - I don’t think it’s sustainable for teachers to insist on “We know better and you’re making it up” when it comes to these things.
Your comparison is a silly one, but anyway - I don’t think it’s sustainable for teachers to insist on “We know better and you’re making it up” when it comes to these things.
If we make honest mistakes the student is usually understanding. Though if I said your second sentence out loud in the staff room I’d probably be in the Head’s office before the end of the day.Im sure very few teachers would approach it like that but inevitable they will sometimes get pronouns mixed up. Calling someone “they” is ridiculous and I doubt I could do it
If we make honest mistakes the student is usually understanding. Though if I said your second sentence out loud in the staff room I’d probably be in the Head’s office before the end of the day.
And because CVD himself said so, but nevermindIt’s only silly because you say so.
You remind me of a colleague of mine who lost his job a few years agoIt’s nonsense - the student is understanding- how generous of them!
You remind me of a colleague of mine who lost his job a few years ago
On the other hand, adults often know better when it comes to these things.Your comparison is a silly one, but anyway - I don’t think it’s sustainable for teachers to insist on “We know better and you’re making it up” when it comes to these things.
I don’t pretend to understand it but in the interests of supporting a student through it what I think doesn’t matter. Particularly in the case of 6th formers.It’s still nonsense
Well my point is that expecting teachers to treat these issues as “charades” by default isn’t going to be sustainable. I haven’t seen any evidence that there’s a widespread problem of kids being insincere about wanting to identify as trans, so treating all cases that way is just going to make them miserable.It was a facetious remark.
But my point was its one thing a teacher keeping a secret a pupils told them in confidence, it's another to ask them to go along with a charade where they treat a child differently when their parents are around, they shouldn't be put in a position where they have to do that.
I think you’re seeing this as a discipline/authority issue rather than a welfare one. No-one is suggesting that kids are going to start seizing control of the curriculum and the PTA because a tiny fraction of them are struggling with their personal identity.On the other hand, adults often know better when it comes to these things.
What next? Where does it end with kids dictating to teachers?
I don’t pretend to understand it but in the interests of supporting a student through it what I think doesn’t matter. Particularly in the case of 6th formers.
It is difficult enough still coming out as gay in school never mind a different gender if it’s a genuinely held belief.
They do if you continue to use the wrong onesI personally don’t think anyone who held that belief at that age would be massively concerned at gender terms being misused
They do if you continue to use the wrong ones
I personally don’t think anyone who held that belief at that age would be massively concerned at gender terms being misused
Those people would be even more offended at people deliberately using the wrong wordsMmm my point is more aimed at those who genuinely believe they are the wrong gender
I think you’re seeing this as a discipline/authority issue rather than a welfare one. No-one is suggesting that kids are going to start seizing control of the curriculum and the PTA because a tiny fraction of them are struggling with their personal identity.
Those people would be even more offended at people deliberately using the wrong words
I used to teach in a CofE school where a lot of students stood by the Genesis story of how the world was created. I must admit the scientist in me refused to entertain that as a valid theoryWell if they say they identify as somebody who doesn't believe the war happened. Do the teachers need to agree or tell them they are wrong?
Likewise when they have a boy saying they are on their period.
Given that I have worked in classrooms for the last 7 years and you have never worked in a school, yes I do know that.Do you know that for a fact?
Given that I have worked in classrooms for the last 7 years and you have never worked in a school, yes I do know that.
I used to teach in a CofE school where a lot of students stood by the Genesis story of how the world was created. I must admit the scientist in me refused to entertain that as a valid theory
Well what trans kids are trying to do here is establish a principle whereby anything they say has to be immediately accepted by the school, so yes legally, the teachers would have to concede that WW2 never happened.Well if they say they identify as somebody who doesn't believe the war happened. Do the teachers need to agree or tell them they are wrong?
Likewise when they have a boy saying they are on their period.
Whilst I don’t disagree with your point, we are relatively powerless as most of the exposure is on social media and outside of school.I do think the “playing” with gender identity for a large proportion of those who claim to have it is influenced by social media and potentially dangerous
For example I’ve had students who were biologically male, both identified and dressed as female and were in a homosexual relationship with each other.And those students have changed gender when they were able to?
Come on Nick, both these examples are daft and in reality would never happen.So for example if somebody is born a boy but identifies as female say they need to leave the class because of period pains?
What happens if a kid denies the holocaust happens because they identify as a holocaust denier? Do history lessons get changed to suit them?
Where does it end.
For example I’ve had students who were biologically male, both identified and dressed as female and were in a homosexual relationship with each other.
They physically can’t have period pains and if a student of mine expressed Holocaust denial I’d refer them under the PREVENT protocol.So for example if somebody is born a boy but identifies as female say they need to leave the class because of period pains?
What happens if a kid denies the holocaust happens because they identify as a holocaust denier? Do history lessons get changed to suit them?
Where does it end.
Come on Nick, both these examples are daft and in reality would never happen.
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