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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #71
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I returned from my mourning of the play off final a few days early to claim that and still not had one from him.
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Waiting for King to get back to me on box rental, deal with more people at once
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #72
Saddlebrains said:
Waiting for King to get back to me on box rental, deal with more people at once
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I have a well worn cricket box if that’s alright
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #73
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have a well worn cricket box if that’s alright
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Only if I can sniff it
 

duffer

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #74
I apologise - I've no urge to get into a huge, personalised row on it, though I think our kid knew that it wasn't really going to go down well! (Fnaar-fnarr etc..)

Anyhow, from my limited experience of working alongside someone who transitioned from male to female, I've seen how much happier and more comfortable they are as a woman. It has had zero personal impact on me, other than having to remember a different name.

I'm sure I still don't get it all right, the world's moving quickly, and some of things that I used to think were funny (favourite insult, "bender!") aren't any more, and rightly so.

I get why; people shouldn't be scared of being who they want to be, or insulted or demeaned (or worse, attacked) for it. I can't always get it right, but I can try to understand rather than sneering or pretending it doesn't exist.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #75
Saddlebrains said:
Only if I can sniff it
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Deal
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #76
duffer said:
I apologise - I've no urge to get into a huge, personalised row on it, though I think our kid knew that it wasn't really going to go down well! (Fnaar-fnarr etc..)

Anyhow, from my limited experience of working alongside someone who transitioned from male to female, I've seen how much happier and more comfortable they are as a woman. It has had zero personal impact on me, other than having to remember a different name.

I'm sure I still don't get it all right, the world's moving quickly, and some of things that I used to think were funny (favourite insult, "bender!") aren't any more, and rightly so.

I get why; people shouldn't be scared of being who they want to be, or insulted or demeaned (or worse, attacked) for it. I can't always get it right, but I can try to understand rather than sneering or pretending it doesn't exist.
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Nobody cares if it has any impact on you, the question is - what's the impact on Saddlebrains?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #77
duffer said:
I apologise - I've no urge to get into a huge, personalised row on it, though I think our kid knew that it wasn't really going to go down well! (Fnaar-fnarr etc..)

Anyhow, from my limited experience of working alongside someone who transitioned from male to female, I've seen how much happier and more comfortable they are as a woman. It has had zero personal impact on me, other than having to remember a different name.

I'm sure I still don't get it all right, the world's moving quickly, and some of things that I used to think were funny (favourite insult, "bender!") aren't any more, and rightly so.

I get why; people shouldn't be scared of being who they want to be, or insulted or demeaned (or worse, attacked) for it. I can't always get it right, but I can try to understand rather than sneering or pretending it doesn't exist.
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I started teaching in 2016. From then to now I have definitely had more students wanting to use different pronouns and names, including some who both changed gender identity and got into homosexual relationships. For me there’s no issue with that but if they wanted to commit to surgery and hormone replacement, they need specialist support to be certain that it’s what they really want and that they understand the physical and biological consequences of the procedures.

Even then I wouldn’t permit it for anyone under 18.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #78
napolimp said:
Nobody cares if it has any impact on you, the question is - what's the impact on Saddlebrains?
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That's the main question, il answer it soon as i can
 
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duffer

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #79
rob9872 said:
Reported for labelling Sam Smith who is non-binary ...
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Hey, I said I didn't always get it right! As the most politically correct poster hereabouts, mate, I'm look forward to receiving your correction. (Oo-err missus).
 
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duffer

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #80
napolimp said:
Nobody cares if it has any impact on you, the question is - what's the impact on Saddlebrains?
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He/she seems very content in his/her self, but I wish he/she would wear slightly longer skirts, if you catch my drift.

(This is me getting it wrong again, isn't it!?)
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #81
Saddlebrains said:
All of this pronouns and transgender shit needs to be called for what it is

Mental health issues
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To me, it’s not difficult to recognize people for who they are, however, the pronoun is ridiculous because this new convention is shunned by 99.75% of the population when they are happy in their own skins. It actually make me less respectful if I see pronouns being introduced on letterheads just because…why use pronouns anyway? What is wrong with plain and simple names?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #82
duffer said:
He/she seems very content in his/her self, but I wish he/she would wear slightly longer skirts, if you catch my drift.

(This is me getting it wrong again, isn't it!?)
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They use they/them pronouns
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #83
Pronoun clarification in email signatures.....what's all that about?
If you could maybe just try and identify as a vaguely competent "accounts payable manager" for 20 minutes and pay my fucking invoices on your next BACS run as promised, there's a good girl/boy/other.
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #84
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Pronoun clarification in email signatures.....what's all that about?
If you could maybe just try and identify as a vaguely competent "accounts payable manager" for 20 minutes and pay my fucking invoices on your next BACS run as promised, there's a good girl/boy/other.
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I sign my work emails "no.reply".
 
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duffer

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #85
napolimp said:
I sign my work emails "no.reply".
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Thank you for your enquiry, I'm afraid I'm out of the office now until a week after the project that you're asking about has gone down in flames. There's probably someone else who can help, but I'm in way too much of a hurry to knock off to tell you who.

I'll respond to your email on my return.

Very best regards,

Duffer.
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 1, 2023
  • #86
duffer said:
Thank you for your enquiry, I'm afraid I'm out of the office now until a week after the project that you're asking about has gone down in flames. There's probably someone else who can help, but I'm in way too much of a hurry to knock off to tell you who.

I'll respond to your email on my return.

Very best regards,

Duffer.
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Love it! I'm stealing this!

Off for hols soon and as outlook allows separate messages for internal and external, I'm not brave enough to leave it for customers, but the internal team will definitely be receiving something similar.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #87
It's common sense isn't it?

Someone identifying as a cat is ridiculous and no-one should be offended if you say he/she when they only want to be identified as they etc.

We have spoken this way since language has been invented, so if it is to change at all it's going to take many, many years, but no-one should be offended.

I like the way Eddie Izzard addressed it.

"So, going forward I am preferring Suzy but I don't mind Eddie. And I prefer she/her but I don't mind he/him. "So no one can really get it wrong unless they call me Kenneth or Sabrina. I am remaining Eddie Izzard in public."

2 Jun 2023

I don't see why anyone would have a problem though with someone who was born male, brought up as male, but feels inside that they are a woman and feels so strongly and sure about it, that they want a sex change/gender reassignment.

Why would anyone have a problem with that? I agree with BSB, shouldn't happen before the age of 18 and a lot of support is needed and it shouldn't just be on a whim, but this sort of thing has been going on for many, many years.

Sweden started to allow gender reassignment to be officially recognised in 1972.

The first gender reaffirming surgery (didn't know it was called that. Had to Google it) took place in Great Britain in 1965.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #88
Otis said:
It's common sense isn't it?

Someone identifying as a cat is ridiculous and no-one should be offended if you say he/she when they only want to be identified as they etc.

We have spoken this way since language has been invented, so if it is to change at all it's going to take many, many years, but no-one should be offended.

I like the way Eddie Izzard addressed it.

"So, going forward I am preferring Suzy but I don't mind Eddie. And I prefer she/her but I don't mind he/him. "So no one can really get it wrong unless they call me Kenneth or Sabrina. I am remaining Eddie Izzard in public."

2 Jun 2023

I don't see why anyone would have a problem though with someone who was born male, brought up as male, but feels inside that they are a woman and feels so strongly and sure about it, that they want a sex change/gender reassignment.

Why would anyone have a problem with that? I agree with BSB, shouldn't happen before the age of 18 and a lot of support is needed and it shouldn't just be on a whim, but this sort of thing has been going on for many, many years.

Sweden started to allow gender reassignment to be officially recognised in 1972.

The first gender reaffirming surgery (didn't know it was called that. Had to Google it) took place in Great Britain in 1965.
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I think for a lot of people are choosing to be offended. Some might call them snowflakes.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #89
 

Sbarcher

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #90
Sbarcher said:
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Put this on in response to the thread title, but what a ballad!
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #91
Otis said:
It's common sense isn't it?

Someone identifying as a cat is ridiculous and no-one should be offended if you say he/she when they only want to be identified as they etc.


I don't see why anyone would have a problem though with someone who was born male, brought up as male, but feels inside that they are a woman and feels so strongly and sure about it, that they want a sex change/gender reassignment.

Why would anyone have a problem with that? I agree with BSB, shouldn't happen before the age of 18 and a lot of support is needed and it shouldn't just be on a whim, but this sort of thing has been going on for many, many years.

Sweden started to allow gender reassignment to be officially recognised in 1972.

The first gender reaffirming surgery (didn't know it was called that. Had to Google it) took place in Great Britain in 1965.
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I agree with a lot of what you say here, Otis. The bit about needing to be an adult and legally free to make your own decisions is especially important. We all know how fickle, faddy and easily influenced children are, so while it would be good to educate year 7+ (secondary school) pupils about the importance of respecting people's choice to identify as a different gender, sexuality or species, i don't believe it is correct to go into the nitty-gritty of gender and sex in kids of primary school age.
I wonder how many people will look back at and regret the decisions that they made when they were not sufficiently mature to understand the impact.

Our best friends had three children (now aged 20), non-identical triplets, all boys. All different. All wonderful in their own ways. Brought up really well by their parents. One of them has evidently been battling with gender identity issues since early puberty. Came out as non-binary a few years ago, and about 2 years back decided to identify fully as female. Stuart became Ruby. It's taken a bit of getting used to, calling her by her new name, but my wife and I have fully embraced it in the way that our friends have.
The issue we have (but have never of course, out of respect, uttered it to our friends) is one of the "back-story". I understand it is deeply offensive to ever refer to someone's life story before they transitioned. However, when our friends announced the news on their Facebook page, they said "20 years ago, i gave birth to three children - two boys and a girl. Please welcome Ruby to our family. No haters please". Ruby is a lesbian, by the way!

To me, that is wrong, and it is disrespectful and selfish of Ruby or anyone else to rewrite our friends' own life story which was factual at the time. Are they going to tear up all their family photos from that "pre-Ruby" time? But, as their friends, we have to accept it, embrace it and move on. And we have, but that one aspect rankles. You could use the parallel of the slave trade. It happened. It was atrocious. But it happened and you write THAT out of history either.

I suspect the term gender reassignment has been dropped in favour of reaffirming because the former implies that something has changed. Well, HASN'T IT???

PS Discussions of sexuality and gender identity have no place at work. Please can you just get on and do your job?
 

Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #92
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
I agree with a lot of what you say here, Otis. The bit about needing to be an adult and legally free to make your own decisions is especially important. We all know how fickle, faddy and easily influenced children are, so while it would be good to educate year 7+ (secondary school) pupils about the importance of respecting people's choice to identify as a different gender, sexuality or species, i don't believe it is correct to go into the nitty-gritty of gender and sex in kids of primary school age.
I wonder how many people will look back at and regret the decisions that they made when they were not sufficiently mature to understand the impact.

Our best friends had three children (now aged 20), non-identical triplets, all boys. All different. All wonderful in their own ways. Brought up really well by their parents. One of them has evidently been battling with gender identity issues since early puberty. Came out as non-binary a few years ago, and about 2 years back decided to identify fully as female. Stuart became Ruby. It's taken a bit of getting used to, calling her by her new name, but my wife and I have fully embraced it in the way that our friends have.
The issue we have (but have never of course, out of respect, uttered it to our friends) is one of the "back-story". I understand it is deeply offensive to ever refer to someone's life story before they transitioned. However, when our friends announced the news on their Facebook page, they said "20 years ago, i gave birth to three children - two boys and a girl. Please welcome Ruby to our family. No haters please". Ruby is a lesbian, by the way!

To me, that is wrong, and it is disrespectful and selfish of Ruby or anyone else to rewrite our friends' own life story which was factual at the time. Are they going to tear up all their family photos from that "pre-Ruby" time? But, as their friends, we have to accept it, embrace it and move on. And we have, but that one aspect rankles. You could use the parallel of the slave trade. It happened. It was atrocious. But it happened and you write THAT out of history either.

I suspect the term gender reassignment has been dropped in favour of reaffirming because the former implies that something has changed. Well, HASN'T IT???

PS Discussions of sexuality and gender identity have no place at work. Please can you just get on and do your job?
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Yeah, agree.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #93
Seen the bloke who wants to have a womb so he can have an abortion?
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #94
Nick said:
Seen the bloke who wants to have a womb so he can have an abortion?
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Not a mental illness though
 
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ccfctommy

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #95
Nick said:
Seen the bloke who wants to have a womb so he can have an abortion?
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Thats sounds like something out of South Park
 

Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #96
Saddlebrains said:
Not a mental illness though
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Sorry, but that's a ridiculous thing to say. This is a single individual and if what Nick has said is indeed true, then there is something obviously something wrong. but you can't go for the lumping them altogether angle.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #97
There is a fine line with an awful lot with things being sexual.
 
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napolimp

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #98
Nick said:
There is a fine line with an awful lot with things being sexual.
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What? Is this sentence supposed to be meaningful English?
 

ccfctommy

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #99
Otis said:
Sorry, but that's a ridiculous thing to say. This is a single individual and if what Nick has said is indeed true, then there is something obviously something wrong. but you can't go for the lumping them altogether angle.
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Agree, I've saw the man breastfeeding video. Which is effed up, but to suggest that all trans people are trans because they are mentally ill is absurd.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #100
Saddlebrains said:
Not a mental illness though
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You're in good company

Vladimir Putin signs law banning gender changes in Russia

Legislation outlaws medical interventions ‘aimed at changing the sex of a person’ and altering gender details in public records
www.theguardian.com
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #101
ccfctommy said:
Agree, I've saw the man breastfeeding video. Which is effed up, but to suggest that all trans people are trans because they are mentally ill is absurd.
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There are a lot of wrong uns attaching themselves to trans groups and it's not helping trans people one bit.
Hence sections of the LGB community trying to distance themselves from it. I feel sorry for genuine trans people when they're already going through something which must be extremely frightening and confusing.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #102
clint van damme said:
There are a lot of wrong uns attaching themselves to trans groups and it's not helping trans people one bit.
Hence sections of the LGB community trying to distance themselves from it. I feel sorry for genuine trans people when they're already going through something which must be extremely frightening and confusing.
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Exactly. Well said.

And I find it all confusing at times, but being confused doesn't make it wrong.

I was the same when I first saw niqabs and burkas. And the same when I first saw men kissing etc. etc.

I just always try and understand things and listen to people's stories.

We are all individuals at the end of the day.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #103
clint van damme said:
There are a lot of wrong uns attaching themselves to trans groups and it's not helping trans people one bit.
Hence sections of the LGB community trying to distance themselves from it. I feel sorry for genuine trans people when they're already going through something which must be extremely frightening and confusing.
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This kid of our friends i was talking about earlier had real MH issues because they were confused and felt that they were the wrong gender. Medication, self-harm, all sorts (which i never knew at the time). MUCH happier now.

And able to get into a football team at Uni! I wonder how many of the team are trans?? They could walk the league playing against "cis" women!

And taught me a lot about the issues and acceptance too.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #104
Otis said:
Exactly. Well said.



We are all individuals at the end of the day.
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"I'm not"
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 2, 2023
  • #105
"Safe spaces" for cis women (aka "women") are absolutely critical, and having a trans woman as a brownie leader is just wrong.
Where do we stand on trans women in sport? I'm anti, and glad that many of the governing bodies appear to be "growing a pair" and standing up to the pressure for inclusivity.
 
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