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ouch

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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some of our fans need to listen carefully to this man. the revenues are the real issue. the council lend 14million pounds to bail out acl. council refuse to show revenue numbers.

come on guys see through the woods for the trees. back sisu. coventry council are killing ccfc and many numb skulls here support them in doing it.
 
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ouch

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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we welcome paying 400,000 pounds if we have the revenues.

we have paid 800,000 pounds in rent in the last 10 months

its clear what the issue is
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
some of our fans need to listen carefully to this man. the revenues are the real issue. the council lend 14million pounds to bail out acl. council refuse to show revenue numbers.

come on guys see through the woods for the trees. back sisu. coventry council are killing ccfc and many numb skulls here support them in doing it.
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You must be a troll. Or delusional. Or perhaps both
 

Cobi Jones's Dreads

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
some of our fans need to listen carefully to this man. the revenues are the real issue. the council lend 14million pounds to bail out acl. council refuse to show revenue numbers.

come on guys see through the woods for the trees. back sisu. coventry council are killing ccfc and many numb skulls here support them in doing it.
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Welcome Tim to SBT!
 
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ouch

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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no troll i think there is a lot of city council lovers here though. your like an scorned woman. get over it. tim fisher just showed the council for what they are. scum
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
no troll i think there is a lot of city council lovers here though. your like an scorned woman. get over it. tim fisher just showed the council for what they are. scum
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I normally pride myself on an respectful and erudite debate.

But you're an arsehole.....
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
no troll i think there is a lot of city council lovers here though. your like an scorned woman. get over it. tim fisher just showed the council for what they are. scum
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Why dont you just do one you johny come lately troll SISU OUT
 

blueflint

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
some of our fans need to listen carefully to this man. the revenues are the real issue. the council lend 14million pounds to bail out acl. council refuse to show revenue numbers.

come on guys see through the woods for the trees. back sisu. coventry council are killing ccfc and many numb skulls here support them in doing it.
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you must be joy seppella then
 
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EastLancsCov

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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But MMM you've always had an anti sisu agenda. Without suggesting an alternative.
 
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dadgad

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Ouch - NOT buying it anymore.
Calling us, or people like us, "numbskulls" casts you adrift.
We've heard all the propaganda, the half truths and BS.
We've sussed you out now please spare us.....cheers.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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EastLancsCov said:
But MMM you've always had an anti sisu agenda. Without suggesting an alternative.
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No I haven't. I just want owners who behave legally and decently. SISU simply can't bring themselves to do that. And they lie and cheat and duck and dive. I hate their tactics. Only by virtue of that do I hate them
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 16, 2013
  • #12
Well we shouldn't definitely be entitled to a cut of ALL revenues from match day imo, not just the refreshments but all other revenue which is bought to the Ricoh by the football club
 
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cofastreecity

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  • Feb 16, 2013
  • #13
ouch said:
we welcome paying 400,000 pounds if we have the revenues.

we have paid 800,000 pounds in rent in the last 10 months

its clear what the issue is
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So now we know where the £800,000 comes from, Fisher is counting the £500,000 held in escrow by the bank since before SISU purchased the club, talk about spin, ooppps where have a heard that before, was it 8.05 am on CWR yesterday.
 
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ouch

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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so im a troll because i offer a opinion you dont agree with. sorry but numbskull is apt
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
so im a troll because i offer a opinion you dont agree with. sorry but numbskull is apt
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No. Because you're so ill-informed and crass that such a collection of thoughts couldn't constitute opinion. Only someone on the wind-up
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
so im a troll because i offer a opinion you dont agree with. sorry but numbskull is apt
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OK, we'll agree that you're a numbskull rather than a troll
 
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Constance Markievicz

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
No. Because you're so ill-informed and crass that such a collection of thoughts couldn't constitute opinion. Only someone on the wind-up
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No matter what board you post on you can't help but be a wally.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Constance Markievicz said:
No matter what board you post on you can't help but be a wally.
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I post on one. Which makes that comment as relevant as the other comments I've seen you make. Thanks for the consistency though
 

covcity4life

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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yeh he came accross well

at the end of the day sisu are willing to have 3rd party confirm in and decide it

acl are not

so its obvious where the blame lies
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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covcity4life said:
yeh he came accross well

at the end of the day sisu are willing to have 3rd party confirm in and decide it

acl are not

so its obvious where the blame lies
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Ha ha ha. ACL have had third party judgement. Or don't you remember the court case?
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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ouch said:
the revenues are the real issue.
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How so, the club is currently operating on a salary cap limited to 65% of turnover and has one of the biggest and well financed squads in the league.

Fisher said the following this summer...

Mr Fisher refused to give an exact figure as to how much City's playing budget would be but said it would be nearer £4m than £1.5m.
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But from what he said it must be close to or better than £3M.
 

BurbageSkyBlues

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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covcity4life said:
yeh he came accross well

at the end of the day sisu are willing to have 3rd party confirm in and decide it

acl are not

so its obvious where the blame lies
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Amazing.......why have they suddenly started to champion the use of a third party? Didn't seem to want to do that when they just started to withhold the rent, did they.?

Would not be because they have a weakened position now, and can't dictate the agenda, by any chance....?
 
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skybluehugh

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Ha ha ha. ACL have had third party judgement. Or don't you remember the court case?
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MMM, I think we need to stop responding to JS's pr team. They are just trying to blame anyone else for when ACL/council do call in the debt that is legally owed to them. If they have paid 800.000 in the last ten months how come this is the first we have heard about it. SHITSU would have been screaming from the roof tops if ACL were giving out wrong info, when they say NO rent has been paid since the row started.
 
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SkyBlueCharlie

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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cofastreecity said:
So now we know where the £800,000 comes from, Fisher is counting the £500,000 held in escrow by the bank since before SISU purchased the club, talk about spin, ooppps where have a heard that before, was it 8.05 am on CWR yesterday.
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The remainder was match day costs which have nothing to do with the rent, they would have to pay these any way.
He was also asked whether he had shaken hands on the deal as reported and ducked this by saying that there were people in the room that would never shake hands and the prat on CWR let him get away with it!
 
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hill83

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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BurbageSkyBlues said:
Amazing.......why have they suddenly started to champion the use of a third party? Didn't seem to want to do that when they just started to withhold the rent, did they.?

Would not be because they have a weakened position now, and can't dictate the agenda, by any chance....?
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Surely they have even less ability to dictate the agenda if a third party is in control?
 
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6 Generations

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Stuart read my question to him.
'Is it true that you haven't paid 1 penny towards rent during negotiations?'
He replied initially by admitting that was true.
He then referred to £500,000 paid from the Escrow account and a further £300,000 based on £10,000 per match.
He clearly said that the sum of £800,000 therefore had been paid in rent. What utter bollocks.
No wonder Nigel was in tears.
Fisher is delusional .
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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skybluehugh said:
MMM, I think we need to stop responding to JS's pr team. They are just trying to blame anyone else for when ACL/council do call in the debt that is legally owed to them. If they have paid 800.000 in the last ten months how come this is the first we have heard about it. SHITSU would have been screaming from the roof tops if ACL were giving out wrong info, when they say NO rent has been paid since the row started.
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If they have paid £800K, makes you wonder why nobody from SISU went to the court in Birmingham to tell them that; as surely this would have had a bearing on the judgement against them.

Maybe, just maybe they didn't go and tell the judge that as it was a little bit not true?!?
 

hill83

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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6 Generations said:
Stuart read my question to him.
'Is it true that you haven't paid 1 penny towards rent during negotiations?'
He replied initially by admitting that was true.
He then referred to £500,000 paid from the Escrow account and a further £300,000 based on £10,000 per match.
He clearly said that the sum of £800,000 therefore had been paid in rent. What utter bollocks.
No wonder Nigel was in tears.
Fisher is delusional .
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I took it to mean £800k had been paid in the last year, but nothing since the disagreements began.
 
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6 Generations

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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hill83 said:
I took it to mean £800k had been paid in the last year, but nothing since the disagreements began.
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I agree. But none of it is rent. The Escrow holds £500,000 on the event of SISU defaulting. ACL were legally obliged to it.
 
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SkyBlueScottie

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  • Feb 16, 2013
  • #30
For all the nashing and wailing of teeth people need to listen to what Fisher / SISU are actually saying rather than sitting scoffing and casting it all as lies or spin. The escrow account has been emptied, like it or not that was money from the club, yes its a bit naughty to claim it as part of of an 800k payment but technically thats what it is. He could have presented it slightly but thats where we are. We have still paid our match fee's, still quite a princely sum. Fisher is also now on record of seemingly agreeing to the rent figure.

I just dont get why some people take everything as gospel because it comes from ACL, so far this week we have had 2 claims from that side of the table, the headline figure of 400 k annual rent, then a day later somebody on record claiming SISU turned down 150 k in rent.

Both sides are as bad as each other, why have ACL not shown them the F & B revenue, plenty on here were casting lightening rods towards SISU's head office when Mutton spoke out about the fact they had not show the council a business plan etc.....

How do ACL come to the figure of 24 million to purchase back the matchday revenue? Have they recouped their intial outlay?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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dadgad said:
Ouch - NOT buying it anymore.
Calling us, or people like us, "numbskulls" casts you adrift.
We've heard all the propaganda, the half truths and BS.
We've sussed you out now please spare us.....cheers.
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But you are a numbskull. The other week you had to post on here asking who scored the winner against Oldham. That's a numbskull.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Jack Griffin said:
How so, the club is currently operating on a salary cap limited to 65% of turnover and has one of the biggest and well financed squads in the league.

Fisher said the following this summer...



But from what he said it must be close to or better than £3M.
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Surely even you must acknowledge denying the club revenues handicaps our chances on this league

A manager applying for this job would not care about the rent issue but they would care that our revenue streams are far too limited and a big handicap.
 

ooh ahh lloyd mcgrath

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  • Feb 16, 2013
  • #33
A little bit shifty

SkyBlueCharlie said:
He was also asked whether he had shaken hands on the deal as reported and ducked this by saying that there were people in the room that would never shake hands and the prat on CWR let him get away with it!
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I am finding it very tricky to decide who is the guilty party in all of this. I am not to fond of sisu & the way they have conducted themselves since taking over the club, but by the same token, I'm not sure I entirely trust the council either.

What I am not keen on is this trait that sisu have for evading straight forward answers. I too picked up on the fact that he was asked a fairly clear question, but opted to avoid answering it. Reminded me of a politician :jerkit: .. and we all know how trustworthy they are!

PUSB - best fans in the land
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Grendel said:
Surely even you must acknowledge denying the club revenues handicaps our chances on this league.
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But by how much, you say handicap, it may make bugger all difference, I don't really think the sums they are talking about are that significant, sure they must effect the margins, but probably only a little.. far less than making the right choice of manager that is certain.

What are the figures? If you can prove the point conclusively I'll llsten, but not without cold hard & independently verified facts. So far all you have is the say so of TF & even he hasn't put a number on it, if he could argue with numbers & prove his point he surely would as that would be the best PR, the fact he is vague make me think the argument is somewhat spurious.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 16, 2013
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Jack Griffin said:
But by how much, you say handicap, it may make bugger all difference, I don't really think the sums they are talking about are that significant, sure they must effect the margins, but probably only a little.. far less than making the right choice of manager that is certain.

What are the figures? If you can prove the point conclusively I'll llsten, but not without cold hard & independently verified facts. So far all you have is the say so of TF & even he hasn't put a number on it, if he could argue with numbers & prove his point he surely would as that would be the best PR, the fact he is vague make me think the argument is somewhat spurious.
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He's not just talking about food and drink. It's parking and sponsorship. It's a huge amount of money. It would include access to revenues for other events as well. It would be millions.
 
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