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We would have been better off with Robins (2 Viewers)

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Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #351
Chris1987 said:
He did. In your opinion for not long enough in my opinion for too long. We truly will never know which is what makes this a subject for debate !
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Too long ? Jesus frank doesn't have much time then
 

Lamps

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #352
bigfatronssba said:
Dean Austin and King said that no players were signed without Robins' agreement
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Agreement yes. Choice no.

Should Robins have kept saying no to players because they were not giving him the players he would have chosen? We already started the season without cover for all positions yet brought in a striker we didn't need. Did we bring him in only because he was the top scorer for WBA last season?
 

Chris1987

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #353
Evo1883 said:
Well again that's pure guess work chris and I'd say probably slightly disrespectful to robins
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Maybe but truly we will never know
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #354
Chris1987 said:
Maybe but truly we will never know
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Robins did achieve a 75 point season at Rotherham without adi viveash too .. he wasn't a completely shit manager mate
 
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Chris1987

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #355
Evo1883 said:
Too long ? Jesus frank doesn't have much time then
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In my opinion it was more than 14 games Evo . Yes there were extenuating circumstances but the form at the end of last season was terrible with the exception of the Cup games. There was a Eureka moment last season at Preston away when tactics changed but Adi was still on the scene then. There were no signs of a similar moment this season. We will always disagree on this but the only thing that matters now is the future. We will see in time whether what he have now is an improvement
 

Chris1987

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #356
Evo1883 said:
Robins did achieve a 75 point season at Rotherham without adi viveash too .. he wasn't a completely shit manager mate
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Come on Evo . Where have I ever said he was shit ? You've made that up to suit your argument.
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #357
Chris1987 said:
In my opinion it was more than 14 games Evo . Yes there were extenuating circumstances but the form at the end of last season was terrible with the exception of the Cup games. There was a Eureka moment last season at Preston away when tactics changed but Adi was still on the scene then. There were no signs of a similar moment this season. We will always disagree on this but the only thing that matters now is the future. We will see in time whether what he have now is an improvement
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The form was 6 games mate , I've been over this many times
 

Chris1987

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #358
Evo1883 said:
The form was 6 games mate , I've been over this many times
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Yes you have but it my opinion it's not 6 games it goes longer . It was the manner of the performances that suggested nothing was improving
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #359
Evo1883 said:
Well again that's pure guess work chris and I'd say probably slightly disrespectful to robins
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Well he has no responsibility for signings, doesn’t get hugely involved in coaching, isn’t responsible for motivation - what was Robins responsible for?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #360
Chris1987 said:
Yes you have but it my opinion it's not 6 games it goes longer . It was the manner of the performances that suggested nothing was improving
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The form leading upto the last 6 games last season was won 6 drew 1 lost 3 .. that's 1.9 ppg .

We then played 3 teams that finished in the top 7 from the last 6 and 2 were promoted , our squad was fucked .

The end of last season being used is really really clutching

I'm not being argumentative I'm being reasonable
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #361
Evo1883 said:
The form leading upto the last 6 games last season was won 6 drew 1 lost 3 .. that's 1.9 ppg .

We then played 3 teams that finished in the top 7 from the last 6 and 2 were promoted , our squad was fucked .

The end of last season being used is really really clutching

I'm not being argumentative I'm being reasonable
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Conveniently using selective periods of this season isn’t being reasonable. Also you’ve looked at results since which have been against a lot of top 7 sides. You are being hugely selective
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #362
Grendel said:
Well he has no responsibility for signings, doesn’t get hugely involved in coaching, isn’t responsible for motivation - what was Robins responsible for?
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I hope you enjoy the years to come , as much as you enjoyed the years before him ..

I'm sure you will
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #363
Grendel said:
Conveniently using selective periods of this season isn’t being reasonable. Also you’ve looked at results since which have been against a lot of top 7 sides. You are being hugely selective
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What on earth does any of this mean ? Il happily pull your argument apart all night no issue .. go
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #364
Ipswich and Southampton were promoted , we lost 3-2 to hull 3 days after man utd


3 top 7 sides in our final 6 games @Grendel

If we are being honest we played 4 of the top 7 in our last 7 games .. but we beat one
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #365
Evo1883 said:
I hope you enjoy the years to come , as much as you enjoyed the years before him ..

I'm sure you will
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Most of the years of success were winning in trophies we can no longer win. Robins hasn’t had any trophy achievement than any other manager in the last 60 years
 
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Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #366
Grendel said:
Most of the years of success were winning in trophies we can no longer win. Robins hasn’t had any trophy achievement than any other manager in the last 60 years
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Sound john sillet achieved more than jimmy hill .. cheers
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #367
Evo1883 said:
What on earth does any of this mean ? Il happily pull your argument apart all night no issue .. go
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Our last 6 games under Robins achieved 7 points and was exactly the same as his ratio over the whole season.

Since his departure our fixtures have included games against 3 of the top 7 teams and Millwall who were unbeaten in 9
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #368
Evo1883 said:
Sound john sillet achieved more than jimmy hill .. cheers
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He did as did other managers achieving survival in the biggest league at the time
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #369
Grendel said:
Our last 6 games under Robins achieved 7 points and was exactly the same as his ratio over the whole season.

Since his departure our fixtures have included games against 3 of the top 7 teams and Millwall who were unbeaten in 9
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I'm talking to chris about the end of last season? Have you had a drink mate
 

Evo1883

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #370
Grendel said:
He did as did other managers achieving survival in the biggest league at the time
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What insane nonsense

Gordon Strachan , phil neil etc achieved more than jimmy hill
 

Chris1987

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #371
Evo1883 said:
Ipswich and Southampton were promoted , we lost 3-2 to hull 3 days after man utd


3 top 7 sides in our final 6 games @Grendel

If we are being honest we played 4 of the top 7 in our last 7 games .. but we beat one
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So in the last 8 games of last season a record of W1 D1 L6 is acceptable? Come on now
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #372
Evo1883 said:
I'm talking to chris about the end of last season? Have you had a drink mate
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No - many people - including you - cite two wins as evidence he was turning it round. It meant we managed to scrape a pathetic 7 points out of 6 games
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #373
Chris1987 said:
So in the last 8 games of last season a record of W1 D1 L6 is acceptable? Come on now
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No chris but against hull haji wright and simms couldn't start because they were fucked , against Southampton away we were bringing on academy graduates .

Fans love a good waffle don't they
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #374
Evo1883 said:


What insane nonsense

Gordon Strachan , phil neil etc achieved more than jimmy hill
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I doubt robins would have achieved what Gordon Milne did.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #375
Evo1883 said:
No chris but against hull haji wright and simms couldn't start because they were fucked , against Southampton away we were bringing on academy graduates .

Fans love a good waffle don't they
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So our results since Haji was injured can be excused? The same player robins saw fit to leave out of 33% of game time when he was manager?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #376
Grendel said:
No - many people - including you - cite two wins as evidence he was turning it round. It meant we managed to scrape a pathetic 7 points out of 6 games
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Why are You swerving traffic I'm specifically talking to chris about the end of last season .. and you've come in and started moving the argument ? Why did you even but in ?
 

Chris1987

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #377
Evo1883 said:
The form leading upto the last 6 games last season was won 6 drew 1 lost 3 .. that's 1.9 ppg .

We then played 3 teams that finished in the top 7 from the last 6 and 2 were promoted , our squad was fucked .

The end of last season being used is really really clutching

I'm not being argumentative I'm being reasonable
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So its excusable to lose to the sides you are competing against for a play off spot ? Precisely the opposite applies
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #378
Grendel said:
I doubt robins would have achieved what Gordon Milne did.
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Grendel mark robins achieved a promotion and championship survival whilst groundsharing mate
 

Chris1987

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #379
Evo1883 said:
No chris but against hull haji wright and simms couldn't start because they were fucked , against Southampton away we were bringing on academy graduates .

Fans love a good waffle don't they
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So is that not a recruitment issue ? Who sanctioned the squad back up signings ?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #380
Chris1987 said:
So its excusable to lose to the sides you are competing against for a play off spot ? Precisely the opposite applies
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we started without 3 of our best players as they weren't match fit ffs what's wrong with you
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #381
shmmeee said:
Youd have had a job sacking him during the playoff run

Robins is an unusual manager being here for six years when King arrived. He was basically unsackable. Just saying it’s rare an owner comes in and gets on with the people there. New toy, they want their people, just personality clashes, whatever.

When Sisu decided to sell up it was probably always the beginning of the end for robins.
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This is hilarious.

So he had planned to sack him as soon as he joined but waited for nearly two whole seasons worth of games to do it rather than at the earliest sign of trouble/poor form last season.

Right.
 

Frankly_Mr_Shankly

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #382
Evo1883 said:
Robins did achieve a 75 point season at Rotherham without adi viveash too .. he wasn't a completely shit manager mate
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Was Steve Taylor his number 2 then?
 

Chris1987

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #383
Evo1883 said:
we started without 3 of our best players as they weren't match fit ffs what's wrong with you
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And other sides didn't have the same problem throughout the season? Come on Evo . Ffs what's wrong with you that you refuse to consider a level playing field over the duration of a whole season.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #384
Evo1883 said:
Grendel mark robins achieved a promotion and championship survival whilst groundsharing mate
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I’ve said adversity management was his strength as the only other club he did well at was Rotherham
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 13, 2024
  • #385
Sick Boy said:
This is hilarious.

So he had planned to sack him as soon as he joined but waited for nearly two whole seasons worth of games to do it rather than at the earliest sign of trouble/poor form last season.

Right.
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And gave him and his assistant new contracts plus tens of millions in transfer funds. Does seem rather far fetched doesn't it.
 
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