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Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

whenever we brought up Robinson and Richardson that it was no good looking back. Well... the same applies now, doesn't it?

So, looking forwards, a couple of obvious things worth thinking about.

We still only have a short term deal at the Ricoh
We need long term stability
Ideally the club probably does need to own its own ground.

So, given we have a new chairman who has been tasked with the role of getting ground ownership sorted, we probably need to keep a watching brief how this pans out - no problem philosopically with the concept of our own ground that isn't the Ricoh, here... it's the how and where that matter (along with, of course, the if!)

A ceasefire might be nice though, just for a bit as we all bed in again.

SISU's move next, I suggest. Can't give a view until that move happens, but there is still a finite amount of time for things to be sorted if we don't want to go on our travels again...

Noggin · Sep 1, 2014

no, when they are gone there is no point looking back, they are still here, the same people who made the decision to seriously damage the club for the benefit of external companies. getting rid of the "independent *eye roll* Labovich changes nothing. Sisu OUT!

italiahorse · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
whenever we brought up Robinson and Richardson that it was no good looking back. Well... the same applies now, doesn't it?

So, looking forwards, a couple of obvious things worth thinking about.

We still only have a short term deal at the Ricoh

We need long term stability

Ideally the club probably does need to own its own ground.

So, given we have a new chairman who has been tasked with the role of getting ground ownership sorted, we probably need to keep a watching brief how this pans out - no problem philosopically with the concept of our own ground that isn't the Ricoh, here... it's the how and where that matter (along with, of course, the if!)

A ceasefire might be nice though, just for a bit as we all bed in again.

SISU's move next, I suggest. Can't give a view until that move happens, but there is still a finite amount of time for things to be sorted if we don't want to go on our travels again...

The club can't afford a new ground.
A long term lease with access to all football revenues is what we need to move too.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

italiahorse said:
The club can't afford a new ground.
A long term lease with access to all football revenues is what we need to move too.

Let's see what happens.

The chess board still has plenty of pieces on it, however.

Jack Griffin · Sep 1, 2014

italiahorse said:
The club can't afford a new ground.
A long term lease with access to all football revenues is what we need to move too.

And that can be a staging post to a full commercial union of the "2 turkeys", which might not emerge as an Eagle, but at least float like a Duck.

Though I'd much prefer SISU to be gone firstly.

Otis · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
whenever we brought up Robinson and Richardson that it was no good looking back. Well... the same applies now, doesn't it?

So, looking forwards, a couple of obvious things worth thinking about.

We still only have a short term deal at the Ricoh

We need long term stability

Ideally the club probably does need to own its own ground.

So, given we have a new chairman who has been tasked with the role of getting ground ownership sorted, we probably need to keep a watching brief how this pans out - no problem philosopically with the concept of our own ground that isn't the Ricoh, here... it's the how and where that matter (along with, of course, the if!)

A ceasefire might be nice though, just for a bit as we all bed in again.

SISU's move next, I suggest. Can't give a view until that move happens, but there is still a finite amount of time for things to be sorted if we don't want to go on our travels again...

While I agree that ideally a football club should own its own stadium, I do say that building an entirely new stadium is completely bonkers.

We need to get to stage whereby the club staying at the Ricoh is the best thing all round for everyone.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

Otis said:
While I agree that ideally a football club should own its own stadium, I do say that building an entirely new stadium is completely bonkers.

We need to get to stage whereby the club staying at the Ricoh is the best thing all round for everyone.

I'd be all for a new stadium, philosophically.

Actually would love the idea of the club teaming up with Warwick Uni and building a massive complex, we could even have our Olympic sized pool back (as per Brum uni). It won't happen, of course(!) but in another world don't have anything whatsoever against the idea, in fact I think it'd be terrific for the club in a sporting sense.

What matters, though, is not what I want, or not what you want, but what the next move is...

Otis · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd be all for a new stadium, philosophically.

Actually would love the idea of the club teaming up with Warwick Uni and building a massive complex, we could even have our Olympic sized pool back (as per Brum uni). It won't happen, of course(!) but in another world don't have anything whatsoever against the idea, in fact I think it'd be terrific for the club in a sporting sense.

What matters, though, is not what I want, or not what you want, but what the next move is...

Well true.

For me for this club to move forwards we need to get out of the doldrums and have a bit of success. We have been a failure now for far too long and that will never sit comfortably with a football club trying to put bums on seats.

The minute we have any concerted degree of success, the notion of building a smaller, cheaper, much reduced capacity stadium will be a complete nonsense.

Think you and I differ slightly NW because you don't care for the Ricoh much and I really love the place. I'm wiith Pressley on this, the Ricoh is a Premiership stadium and as a club that's where we need to be looking to.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

Otis said:
Think you and I differ slightly NW because you don't care for the Ricoh much and I really love the place.

We've done our heart breaking move once for me, so to do it again wouldn't be remotely as painful as leaving HR.

I do however think moving forward we actually have a chance of a good gate or two, and a bit of a positive atmosphere can help change my mind about the place in that way.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Sep 1, 2014

Philosophically, I'd be OK with a new stadium - financially, I remain to be convinced that it's viable.

For me, the next step is a (probably) slow rebuilding of trust between the parties.

Perhaps it was no coincidence that a feature of the successful talks was the absence of juvenile public soundbites attempting to "have a pop" at the other party(s).

Hopefully we have left the playground and moved into the world of grown ups (typed with crossed fingers - and that ain't easy!).

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Philosophically, I'd be OK with a new stadium - financially, I remain to be convinced that it's viable.

I tend to agree. Different type of owners (i.e. uber rich mentalist!) I could believe it a lot better.

For me, the next step is a (probably) slow rebuilding of trust between the parties.

Perhaps it was no coincidence that a feature of the successful talks was the absence of juvenile public soundbites attempting to "have a pop" at the other party(s).

Hopefully we have left the playground and moved into the world of grown ups (typed with crossed fingers - and that ain't easy!).

Can't help but agree with much of that. Would be nice to think both sides could at least do their bitching in private if needs be

The problem is though, with a 2-4 year deal for the ground, there's not *that* much time to rebuild trust before it starts becoming an issue again...

DazzleTommyDazzle · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is though, with a 2-4 year deal for the ground, there's not *that* much time to rebuild trust before it starts becoming an issue again...

That's true, but possibly - if things are settling down and going well - a first step could be to extend the current deal.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
That's true, but possibly - if things are settling down and going well - a first step could be to extend the current deal.

It's my CCFC disposition to look negatively and maybe I should avoid this board as it brings out the negative too I worry either a play is made where land is bought, which antagonises ACL and extensions might not be on the table... or the short term deal is used to repeat the same position of using the impending apocalypse as a negotiating tactic.

Ian1779 · Sep 1, 2014

Buying out ACL in it's entirety seems now the logical next step. This course of action would seemingly give the owners the control over the complex and all it's revenue streams without the need to build.

mds · Sep 1, 2014

The success of this season we be the turning point i think, a good season on the pitch will no doubt be good for their business off it.
That will be key to how they move forward with any plans to buy or build.

Personally, i dont know why they couldnt rent to buy or just find a deal to buy the bowl alone!

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Let's see what happens.

The chess board still has plenty of pieces on it, however.

Still going for: Byng to take over, agree a deal to buy the Ricoh and will swing some HS2/rail love CCC's way, as they want that.

How the club looks financially will be down to the deal he gets for the debt and how much of the cost of buying the Ricoh he loads on us. Best case scenario is he buys the lot as a development project and funds the club as a promotional tool. Worst case, he uses the club to get the Ricoh and leaves us languishing. Depends on his priorities I guess.

Can't see Sisu being around much longer, I suspect Joy isn't too happy about coming back, she's not going to get the Ricoh now and the new stadium idea has never stacked up financially.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

shmmeee said:
Still going for: Byng to take over, agree a deal to buy the Ricoh and will swing some HS2/rail love CCC's way, as they want that.

How the club looks financially will be down to the deal he gets for the debt and how much of the cost of buying the Ricoh he loads on us. Best case scenario is he buys the lot as a development project and funds the club as a promotional tool. Worst case, he uses the club to get the Ricoh and leaves us languishing. Depends on his priorities I guess.

Can't see Sisu being around much longer, I suspect Joy isn't too happy about coming back, she's not going to get the Ricoh now and the new stadium idea has never stacked up financially.

Problem I have with Byng is he has a touch of the Dhinsas about him.

Why stop at one Asian multinational corp when you can have three?

skybluericoh · Sep 1, 2014

I'm not against a new stadium, but it must have better potential than the Ricoh. If we had left HR to go to something like Liberty way we would not have put up with it. Look around at the teams that have moved to modern grounds like the Ricoh, Fester, Southampton, Derby - all are happy in the grounds because that have enjoyed success, or have shown promise of it. Fester didn't own theirs for a chunk of time, but had managed to get it built before they went bust so didn't have to sell all the profit streams to get it built. If we are moved to an 18K seater we will only ever be a L1 occasional Championship club at best. With the Ricoh, we have the potential to get to the Prem. But potential without capability isn't worth much.

If we were in the playoffs one season, gain promotion the next, go near to the playoffs the season after 18k would not be anywhere near big enough. If, and I know its always 'IF' we had got to the JPT final 2 seasons ago there would have been 50-60 thousand there. Glory hunters?? Who gives a flying, it would be revenue to go to the team, and with some clever marketing around ST and ticketing could have boosted the next seasons gates ( Sixfields part).

if SISU want to own the ground and the club the need to make a serious bid for ACL and stop trying to get it on the cheap.

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Problem I have with Byng is he has a touch of the Dhinsas about him.

Why stop at one Asian multinational corp when you can have three?

He's certainly stuck around though, and seems to be close to Sisu.

I'm not a fan, but then I'm finding it hard to get excited about any future owner (other than the mythical superfan billionaire).

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

shmmeee said:
He's certainly stuck around though, and seems to be close to Sisu.

I'm not a fan, but then I'm finding it hard to get excited about any future owner (other than the mythical superfan billionaire).

I'd rather a free fight though, where fans don't push one group (Elliott!) above others, where SISU don't push one group (SISU) above others, and where there's at least a free choice of best option for the club rather than any self-interests.

I suppose the one thing you can say about SISU, is that because they want money back, they're less likely to sell to somebody who's unlikely to deliver it back than others might... although the deal Ron Noades set up for Palace kept him rich and crushed Goldberg and then Jordan!

RoboCCFC90 · Sep 1, 2014

To be honest my protest and warpath against our owners is on hold, the next 2-4 years is vital for our Club, it's a bedding in process again now and after a bit of consistency the Club could try to explore a purchase of the Ricoh, I do think financially a new Stadium is impossible, however with Steve Waggott promoted to his new role it might help the Club in relations with ACL..

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Otis · Sep 1, 2014

skybluericoh said:
I'm not against a new stadium, but it must have better potential than the Ricoh. If we had left HR to go to something like Liberty way we would not have put up with it. Look around at the teams that have moved to modern grounds like the Ricoh, Fester, Southampton, Derby - all are happy in the grounds because that have enjoyed success, or have shown promise of it. Fester didn't own theirs for a chunk of time, but had managed to get it built before they went bust so didn't have to sell all the profit streams to get it built. If we are moved to an 18K seater we will only ever be a L1 occasional Championship club at best. With the Ricoh, we have the potential to get to the Prem. But potential without capability isn't worth much.

If we were in the playoffs one season, gain promotion the next, go near to the playoffs the season after 18k would not be anywhere near big enough. If, and I know its always 'IF' we had got to the JPT final 2 seasons ago there would have been 50-60 thousand there. Glory hunters?? Who gives a flying, it would be revenue to go to the team, and with some clever marketing around ST and ticketing could have boosted the next seasons gates ( Sixfields part).

if SISU want to own the ground and the club the need to make a serious bid for ACL and stop trying to get it on the cheap.

If it was to happen then I can't see it being anything more than a much less impressive stadium, done on an incredbily low budget. The Ricoh is a Premiership standard stadium. Can't see how on earth Sisu would ever consider building anything on such a grand scale.

There's only 3 words that spring to mind when anyone discusses the new stadium and they are 'cheap and nasty.'

Ohh, that and 'fantasy.'

Hobo · Sep 1, 2014

With our debt levels and the cost of building a new (yet substandard SISU model) stadium, I feel money would be better spent negotiating a long term rental, along with buying into ACL.

there is more than one way to secure revenue streams.

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