We all want the legal crap to stop. It won't benefit our club in any way. And it has looked like being a waste of time from the start.
But it certainly looks dodgy to me.
Why even start talks if they don't want to come to an agreement if there are legal cases going on?
Only background noise and it doesn't mean that it will stop an agreement but is given as a reason to stop talks?
And on top of this it looks like our academy is losing it's home at the same time whilst saying a deal might still be done.
All smells like bullshit to me. But I have a feeling that there is more to it than anyone is saying. Is it anything to do with the Butts idea? Things have moved on quickly since it was announced recently. I can see the headline already. 'We offered CCFC a long term agreement but.....'
The end of playing at the Ricoh could be closer than most think. And would it be a surprise if we were turned down for the Butts? I never went to Northampton. But if we are more or less forced out I would follow my football club to where we end up this time. And I would do so for as long as it looks like they are trying to move us back to where we should be.
Not read all the threads but you can't blame Wasps stopping the talks, we all know sisu legislate at the drop of a hat why would someone put themselves in jeopardy of that. Unfortunately Wasps hold the cards and don't make fortunes out of CCFC renting their ground and that unfortunately is what the Ricoh is, their ground.
But what are the chances of new negotiations stopping suddenly because of legal action that has been going for years that they even admit do not involve them?Unless something has happened regarding JR2.
Like you say though, they knew about this when they started the negotiations as did the Higgs.
Higgs / Wasps and the council have obviously been working on stuff behind the scenes for the training ground etc.
But what are the chances of new negotiations stopping suddenly because of legal action that has been going for years that they even admit do not involve them?
if he's doing his job properly then surely he wants the best option for CCFC?Wasps say they have stopped discussions re long term deal for CCFC to play at Ricoh, yet a couple of weeks ago Anderson was talking up CCFC moving to the Butts.
The question is where did (does) Anderson want as CCFC'S home for the foreseeable future?.
Clint, I understand he wants the best option, however what is the best option, because how can you negotiate a long term deal at the Ricoh whilst telling everyone your preference is to move to the Butts.if he's doing his job properly then surely he wants the best option for CCFC?
Clint, I understand he wants the best option, however what is the best option, because how can you negotiate a long term deal at the Ricoh whilst telling everyone your preference is to move to the Butts.
Surely any party wouldn't continue with such a lengthy legal process unless they think they have a chance of success, the costs alone would dictate this. We all think it's pointless but they clearly don't!But what are the chances of new negotiations stopping suddenly because of legal action that has been going for years that they even admit do not involve them?
We all want the legal crap to stop. It won't benefit our club in any way. And it has looked like being a waste of time from the start.
But it certainly looks dodgy to me.
Why even start talks if they don't want to come to an agreement if there are legal cases going on?
Only background noise and it doesn't mean that it will stop an agreement but is given as a reason to stop talks?
It's pretty clear to me. The Wasps and the Council are hand in glove here. There's no threat to Wasps from JR1 or JR2 because the Ricoh deal can't be unwound now it's all been paid for, but the Council clearly is at risk (even if it's seemingly a pretty low risk).
Wasps want planning permission and a smooth transition for the Higgs purchase (and publicly funded PR like the City of Rugby bullshit), something the Council can provide. The Council want an end to the legal action, and ideally rid of SISU. Join the dots.
Neither of them give a sh*t about the impact on the club. As skybluetony said elswhere - if you're a CCFC fan, and you're spending money at Wasps, you might want to think again.
NW is bang on - this is bullying, plain and simple.
Wasps have made an offer for the club to stay so legal action is irrelevant.
The matters at court were coming to ahead during the timeframe it would appear the negotiations were ongoing between SISU/Wasps and again CCC were not found to be at fault.
However SISU have decided to continue with the matters and progress to a further appeal.
They had the option to draw a line under the matter, but decided only last week to move matters to the Supreme Court.
Wasps have said talks will be put on hold until the court matters are finalised.
I want the sale of the Ricoh to Wasps to be scrutinised properly (in the absence of any transparency from the public authority). Therefore, bring on JR2.
What do you mean by scrutinised properly? It has been looked at a few times now by different judges. And nothing unlawful has been found. And we all know that it was immorally wrong already.I want the sale of the Ricoh to Wasps to be scrutinised properly (in the absence of any transparency from the public authority). Therefore, bring on JR2.
Obviously we need to have more than one option so no surprise he was talking it up.Wasps say they have stopped discussions re long term deal for CCFC to play at Ricoh, yet a couple of weeks ago Anderson was talking up CCFC moving to the Butts.
The question is where did (does) Anderson want as CCFC'S home for the foreseeable future?.
The judges haven't looked at the deal with Wasps. They looked at events that took place during 2012 predominantly.What do you mean by scrutinised properly? It has been looked at a few times now by different judges. And nothing unlawful has been found. And we all know that it was immorally wrong already.
What do you mean by scrutinised properly? It has been looked at a few times now by different judges. And nothing unlawful has been found. And we all know that it was immorally wrong already.
Of course SISU are squeaky clean too :angelic:What a crock of shit.
We're being gang banged by higgs, CSF, CCC, wasps.
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I'm not aware that the sale of the Ricoh to Wasps was the central plank of JR1, so I don't think that has been fully looked at yet. That's to come in JR2!
Although, perhaps the Wasps deal was background noise to JR1, why was it that the council got cold feet about the deal to distress the YB mortgage? It never was explained.......
It has been ruled that there wasn't a problem legally by not selling to SISU as both sides didn't look at making a deal within the timespan. So how could there be a problem with selling to someone else? The owners wanted to sell and the buyer wanted to buy. And being an immoral sale doesn't come into it. SISU acting immorally didn't come into anything.The judges haven't looked at the deal with Wasps. They looked at events that took place during 2012 predominantly.
Why - when it impacts Wasps not a jot? Who are they, you or anyone else to deny someone their right to pursue matters through the court just because your opinion is that they're wrong.
SISU will eventually exhaust all legal avenues, though it may yet take a few more years. It's likely going to cost them a lot of money, but it's their money not ours - and just maybe they will show something illegal from the council in all this (though I have my doubts).
Regardless, the club has to stand on its own two feet in the meantime anyway, unless we can attract a billionaire somehow...
No, they are not squeeky clean, sisu have done lots of shitty things and continue to do so and have played a major part in all this. But when they have gone our club will be fucked for a long time after this shafting wasps, CCC, higgs and CSF are giving us.Of course SISU are squeaky clean too :angelic:
Glad you added that little caveat mateNo, they are not squeeky clean, sisu have done lots of shitty things and continue to do so and have played a major part in all this. But when they have gone our club will be fucked for a long time after this shafting wasps, CCC, higgs and CSF are giving us.
We could 100% focus on blaming sisu and let wasps, CCC, higgs, and CSF contribute in destroying us, or we can challenge them all including sisu.
We should be united on this.
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Side note. The pin in your avatar.. Ireland in a sky blue sea.... I had that ( one of them ) - I wore it at a press evening I was at ( to do with Ireland). A journalist wanted to buy it, but I refused to sell it... And when I got up and left my jacket, he took the opportunity to steal it. I never saw him or my badge again. Small incident, but it pissed me off.
Hope he wasn't Irish or Sky Blue. As you probably know, this is the badge for the CCFC supporters club in Ireland.
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