I cant help thinking that the last thing that CCFC need right now is a confrontational stance either towards or by them
I cant help thinking that the last thing that CCFC need right now is a confrontational stance either towards or by them
So from what you have said there.Rent £100k
F&B Gross take from football circa £550k inc VAT after deducting costs the profit is split 50:50 with CCFC 72K
Parking 2000 spaces 23 times per year tops
Bars the average spend of a football fan at the Ricoh £1.97 per head inc VAT
Casino relies on gambling not the fact that football fans go in there for an hour or two either side of a match 23 times a year
Hotel I would suspect that the occupancy rate is affected by the rooms being unavailable on match days. CCFC sell the occupancy of match day boxes
Footfall is fine so long as it creates income CCFC creates gross income £550K Wasps match day get a spend of £5.84 on average or £1.1m and that income (football or/and rugby) brings with it costs
The sponsorship of the stadium is not just about football and the stadium now gets a fair number of mentions for rugby with tv highlights let alone the other events
Wasps would certainly like us there but necessary to the success of their financial plan i do not think so - not when turnover excl VAT is heading towards £30m per year - CCFC do not even bring £1m of that and after deduction of costs the benefit to Wasps is even smaller
so their
is Potentiall for them to get so much more in the future.
So from what you have said there.
Us being there, probably between 500.000 and 1million a year + free advertising
Us not being there. ...................
a empty stadium to do what they want with 23 weekends a year. £1 million will be very easily clawed back by them
So what could they do to bring in at least 12.000 punters on freezing colda empty stadium to do what they want with 23 weekends a year. £1 million will be very easily clawed back by them
The problem here sits with our owners, have they demonstrated to youTell you what as well, such a small number of signatures on a petition for the academy isn't going to help us get a reasonable stadium deal either. If Wasps ever needed reassurance they don't have to bother about winning over hearts and minds they're now getting it.
a empty stadium to do what they want with 23 weekends a year. £1 million will be very easily clawed back by them
The problem here sits with our owners, have they demonstrated to you
That they are committed to the future of the academy, or even bothered
for that matter .
Because I don't think they have.
What other events would guarantee 8-15k viewers for 23 weekends a year?
So from what you have said there.
Us being there, probably between 500.000 and 1million a year + free advertising
Us not being there. ...................
Then of course, what they get now is only a league 1 club on it's uppers, so their
is Potentiall for them to get so much more in the future.
Do they really compete with us for support, can only speak for myself but I've never
Even watched a full game of rugby on TV, can't stand it, very different game.
Tell you what as well, such a small number of signatures on a petition for the academy isn't going to help us get a reasonable stadium deal either. If Wasps ever needed reassurance they don't have to bother about winning over hearts and minds they're now getting it.
That's why he keeps meeting city fans and playing the pr game.The owner of Wasps has already gone on record saying he has been surprised at how little protest and resistance from locals there has been to Wasps trying to take over the city.
What other events would guarantee 8-15k viewers for 23 weekends a year?
Why do you need that volume passing through to make the same money?
Because I think more people would be inclined to sign if our owners seemedWhat's that got to do with what I said?
It's not about the whos, the whys, and the weres. The current evidence is that Wasps don't have to worry about a potential backlash that would affect their own standing or status. That is not about blaming CCFC, SISU, Wasps, CCC, or the fans. That's what the evidence currently says, however we got there.
The current evidence says there won't be a backlash... which then allows them far greater freedom to do what they will, as they're further along the path than they expected.
Not arguing wasps need us but there's no obvious other revenue stream to replace us either should we leave, if we were to leave I suspect they would simply do without the extra revenue and concentrate on other areas of the business.
well i can think of three events this closed season that made up getting on for half of such a number and spent a lot more than £1.97 per head. It isn't necessarily about the number of times it is the type of event and the income created from that footfall.
Rugby has what 16 events? with crowds at 15k apparently, spend at £5.84 per head, is regularly televised, gets score reports on SSN, BBC, BT, not to mention highlight shows. If you were chasing income which would you have
therein lies the problem for CCFC - they are not important enough to Wasps and seem determined not to form any sort of positive relationship other than a superficial day to day needs must relationship
The trust and others were going to go all out against every party but that went quiet after they met wasps and csf didn't it?
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As far as I'm aware the club have repeatedly stated in recent times there intention to stay at the Higgs and were negotiating positively with Wasps before Wasps cut off negotiations. You can't build positive relationships if the other party doesn't want to listen which is what is happening at this time.
you sure of that? and the reasons behind it ? Many times what has been said in this whole saga somehow has ended up being something different in reality. All I would say is keep an open mind, and perhaps ask where most of the "information" actually comes from
You don't need 23 events if the spend per head is greater. If the spend per head is higher then they don't need to put 23 events on or they could find 23 events of higher spend per head and go with that insteadOk so that's 3 events, still another 20 at least. Probably more once you factor in cup matches
And league one also gets score reports from bbc, ssn and highlight shows. A while back I looked at televised numbers between rugby and football and found that even a lot of tinpot league 2 team attracted more viewers than a premiership rugby match.
Well wasps were the ones who said they stopped negotiations on the ricoh and the csf said they have been told by CCFC that the club wishes to remain at the Higgs and they were now exploring other avenues.
So tallies up with the message coming out of the club.
They are already gearing up to bring in Rugby League, Netball, next it will be Tennis, a few more pop concerts, an American Football pre season game etc.What other events would guarantee 8-15k viewers for 23 weekends a year?
therein lies the problem for CCFC - they are not important enough to Wasps and seem determined not to form any sort of positive relationship other than a superficial day to day needs must relationship
You see my response to that is to question the nature of what caused Wasps to suspend talks (not cancel) - I suspect it was legal "noise" other than the JR. It would be interesting to know when it was CCFC actually told CSF they wanted to stay wouldn't it?
Others on here go on about PR being used ....... is it at all possible that CCFC are themselves painting a picture here towards some objective? That words are used to convey a message that is not an untruth but isn't the full picture? Or do we just accept its come from the club it must be true?
Are the three events your thinking of, Springsteen, Mtv and one other.well i can think of three events this closed season that made up getting on for half of such a number and spent a lot more than £1.97 per head. It isn't necessarily about the number of times it is the type of event and the income created from that footfall.
Rugby has what 16 events? with crowds at 15k apparently, spend at £5.84 per head, is regularly televised, gets score reports on SSN, BBC, BT, not to mention highlight shows. If you were chasing income which would you have
therein lies the problem for CCFC - they are not important enough to Wasps and seem determined not to form any sort of positive relationship other than a superficial day to day needs must relationship
You see my response to that is to question the nature of what caused Wasps to suspend talks (not cancel) - I suspect it was legal "noise" other than the JR. It would be interesting to know when it was CCFC actually told CSF they wanted to stay wouldn't it?
Others on here go on about PR being used ....... is it at all possible that CCFC are themselves painting a picture here towards some objective? That words are used to convey a message that is not an untruth but isn't the full picture? Or do we just accept its come from the club it must be true?
What other events would guarantee 8-15k viewers for 23 weekends a year?
But saying things like that doesn't really help Steve? What next, people discussing a match don't care because they aren't talking about the academy?You and I agree that the Academy is very important to our future but it seems that most City fans have more important issues to worry about such as the colour of the away kit.
So should every thread be closed?Nick I can say what I want as an individual.
The Academy and trying to save it should be the number one priority on here.
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