Grendel
Well-Known Member
If it suited them they'd play in a Saturday at 3 PM - they can't as the extended agreement means that they don't have fixture primacy - the way you are fooled into believing their nonsense is baffling.
This I entirely agree with.
Some on here will have everyone believe that Wasps have set out to totally destroy us and scupper us at every single turn.
If they were that bad, that evil, that despicable, then they indeed would have surely tried to make things a lot more difficult.
Couldn't they have said we can play on Saturday's but not until after their game? Or even before, say at 1 or 2 pm?
I would say the way you paranoidly declare they wish to totally destroy us is even more baffling.If it suited them they'd play in a Saturday at 3 PM - they can't as the extended agreement means that they don't have fixture primacy - the way you are fooled into believing their nonsense is baffling.
I would say the way you paranoidly declare they wish to totally destroy us is even more baffling.
I am not fooled by anything. I have never said they have done this for us and have obviously done it because it suits them.
Never said anything different.
I am saying if they really wanted to destroy us it would be well worth their time to play in Friday night or Saturday lunchtime and churn up the pitch, making life very difficult for us.Did your prior post not say they could make us play at a different time? So you accept they had absolutely no choice whatsoever I'm this decision and therefore is not conciliatory at all?
I am saying if they really wanted to destroy us it would be well worth their time to play in Friday night or Saturday lunchtime and churn up the pitch, making life very difficult for us.
About them making us change times it was a question as much as anything else. I would like to know the exact ruling.
We may well have the primary choice of playing Saturday, but can they dictate at what time Saturday? Does it have to be 3 pm. What is the ruling? Just Saturday, or Saturday, 3 pm?
I am not swallowing anything. Why do you always have to be so aggressive all the time?If we decide 3 PM that's it. They then have to accommodate so lunchtime is totally out of the question as logistics would be impossible,
Playing Friday night would have very negative impact on their revenue.so the statement is bullshit. Keep swallowing it though.
I am saying if they really wanted to destroy us it would be well worth their time to play in Friday night or Saturday lunchtime and churn up the pitch, making life very difficult for us.
About them making us change times it was a question as much as anything else. I would like to know the exact ruling.
We may well have the primary choice of playing Saturday, but can they dictate at what time Saturday? Does it have to be 3 pm. What is the ruling? Just Saturday, or Saturday, 3 pm?
To 'destroy' us.But why would they play friday night or saturday lunchtime? It wouldn't be the best option for them...
I am not swallowing anything. Why do you always have to be so aggressive all the time?
I come on here to share thoughts with fellow supporters, see what is happening, have a laugh and hear about new signings etc. I come on here for a positive experience.
Why do you come on here? Seemingly only to argue with all an sundry, make enemies, belittle people, insult people and just argue, argue, argue.
Do you ever say anything positive at all? You seem a very bitter and twisted individual, who gets off on having a never-ending argument and disagreement with posters.
The Friday thing was based on their 'wanting to destroy us.' If they really wanted to destroy us it would be well worth their taking the hit on a couple of Friday night games.
Of course it would have a negative impact, but they want to destroy us right?
Think when you want to destroy someone you go to extraordinary lengths don't you?
To 'destroy' us.
I am putting myself in the what I see as ridiculous headspace of them 'seeking to destroy us.'
Surely they would do anything and everything to hurt us wouldn't they?
They must sit down in meetings and discuss ways of destroying Coventry City Football Club.
Me too.I think he has passed the point of no return Otis, I used to enjoy his posts also but these days he is indiscriminately vicious and spiteful. I hope it might change but can't see it.
Where? Where have I fallen for any spin?Otis, you are being a little bit naive again.
I am pretty sure they must sit down in meetings and discuss how they can become the primary sports team in Coventry.
You seem to fall for the PR and spin at every turn
Me too.
He has unfortunately become a caricature. It is now so relentless. Argument after argument, page after page.
Sometimes we can all agree to disagree can't we?
I have a very positive outlook on life. Unfortunately Grendel is seemingly the opposite, at least on here anyway.
I used to see him as a counter balance, but I don't think he insulted people as he does now. If you don't agree with him he tries to belittle you or insult you and even when you explain yourself, he just ignores that and sticks with his pro-formed opinion of you and your stance.
If I came on here and just argued with the majority of people and was pretty much disliked by the majority, I wouldn't be on here very long, I'd be gone.
We can all disagree at times and I am totally fine with that, but it is the relentlessness of it with Grendel. It is incessant and he will go for 100 pages plus if you let him just to argue with you.
I just tend not to argue with him anymore. I say my bit and then move to other threads.
It is a great shame, but hey, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
Back to my positive outlook!
Fair enough, but I have never bought any of their spin.Nobody mentioned anything in this thread until you did about destroying us? As if this proves somehow they aren't?
They were just pointing out the huge amounts of spin about it all.
Fair enough, but I have never bought any of their spin.
There a lot of things they could have said that could have been a lot more negative if they wished to make it clear they didn't want us here.
Coukd have easily put in their statement that they were keen to play Saturdays but couldn't because of the agreement in place.
That would have surely added to the notion that we are not wanted here wouldn't it?
I don't but any of their spin, despite Grendel stating the contrary.
I do believe Wasps want to be the primary club here. I do believe they are acting in their own interests.
I just don't think they are actively trying to force us out. I think as long as we can stay here in their terms they are happy for us to stay here.
Well we haven't got there yet have we. Can't see the point of second guessing. They're not even talking to each other at the moment are they.If they were keen to play Saturdays then they would just play the Saturdays we had away games wouldn't they like they did last year?
What if their terms are going to be silly?
I think if they can be the primary club and things go okay for them here then they will be happy for us to stay.
They are going to make more friends in this city if they don't do the dirty on the city's professional football club.
I dare say there are a fair few City fans who are Wasps fans too.
For Wasps at the moment they are only wanting to get a foothold here and make as many friends as possible.
Word from the academy though was that there appeared to be a falling out with Coventry City didn't there.What about the whole 17 sites they looked at but just happened to choose where the CCFC academy is? Which just happens to be run by the company trying their very best to push Rugby through the city to make it a city of rugby?
What about us not being allowed to play games against Fulham for charity pre season at the Ricoh?
The thing is, they could do whatever they want to CCFC and they would just say "SISU's fault" and it would all be ok. Take the academy thing for example, news came out Wasps were going there and people got angry at Wasps. Threads made by people (not the usuals) about boycotting Wasps etc. A statement comes out from them and CSF and it just pretty much says it is SISU's fault, everything then changes.
Word from the academy though was that there appeared to be a falling out with Coventry City didn't there.
Surely for Wasps, from their perspective, why not move into something that already has the foundations in place?
You do have to blame Sisu for a lot of the falling out with people and they do seemingly fall out with a lot of people.
What was the reason I'm the Fulham thing? That sort of passed me by to be honest.
What about the whole 17 sites they looked at but just happened to choose where the CCFC academy is? Which just happens to be run by the company trying their very best to push Rugby through the city to make it a city of rugby?
What about us not being allowed to play games against Fulham for charity pre season at the Ricoh?
The thing is, they could do whatever they want to CCFC and they would just say "SISU's fault" and it would all be ok. Take the academy thing for example, news came out Wasps were going there and people got angry at Wasps. Threads made by people (not the usuals) about boycotting Wasps etc. A statement comes out from them and CSF and it just pretty much says it is SISU's fault, everything then changes.
The terms of the 2 year renewal agreement are the same as granted when CCFC returned to the Ricoh ie they have pitch priority
Why happy or cheered? Surely its the same as an article that says "today is Sunday"Bottom line is, people were happy with this news even if it made no change at all to what was already in place.
This 'news/non news 'was cheered because seemingly everything else coming out about Coventry City was negative and detrimental to the club and as armybike asks, where is the fine detail of the agreement?
What are the caveats? What are the clauses? What does it say in the small print?
The other thing that seems to have been left out of, or brushed over, is that Wasps seemingly WISH to play on Sundays.
The City wish to play on Saturdays. This is surely something we should be thankful for.
If Wasps wanted to play on Saturdays, but were prevented from doing so by our being here, then the argument could be made to be much stronger in terms of them wanting us out. As it stands we are both seemingly getting what we want in terms of ground usage.
If we do wish to stay at the Ricoh, then surely Wasps wanting to play on Sundays and the City wanting to continue playing on Saturdays helps the two clubs in terms of forming a relationship of usage.
Yep, but you are not getting the point, Nick (I won't call you naive)Why happy or cheered? Surely its the same as an article that says "today is Sunday"
It's not really news is it, it's pr.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-29522770Why would they have needed a pitch priority term when they return as they were the only club playing there at the time?
I've looked for the terms of the agreement, but can't find them - in fact Waggott said in August 2014 -
“There has had to be compromise on both sides and the commercial details of the deal will remain confidential." (http://www.ccfc.co.uk//news/article...-ricoh-arena-announcement-210814-1849840.aspx)
However, if you could post a link to the specifics of the terms I'm sure it will clear the point up.
the only negativity is that it is spin isn't it?Yep, but you are not getting the point, Nick (I won't call you naive)
Every bit of news coming out appeared to be negative (no to the Butts, the academy Higgs thing, the nowhere forwards on a new stadium, talk of Mowbray maybe going etc). Some of it of course only rumour.
This may well be just spin and PR but people were happy that something remained in place and I am sure many were thinking that some clause or loophole could have changed the situation. I know I did.
Hard to trust anyone and anything, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a 'Coventry City have primacy, but.......'
What I don't get is the negativity around this.
I think we all know it is spin don't we? I think most of us (the sensible ones anyway) are just happy that things have stayed the way they are and we haven't been dropped another bombshell.
Cheers for that, Nick. It is just one line though.
It was also discussed a lot when they moved so probably more articles in depth from around that time.Cheers for that, Nick. It is just one line though.
Do we have primacy for as long as we are there? Is it just until our current deal runs out? Are there any clauses in place that change that ruling?
I'm pretty sure there won't be a copy of the contract floating about so not sure why you keep demanding stuff like that.Where are the specifics of the terms of the agreement for CCFC's return to the Ricoh on that link as I requested?
The negativity is of posters having a go at other posters over it.the only negativity is that it is spin isn't it?
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