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Wasps owner Derek Richardson explains Coventry move and rejects "franchise" tag (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Apr 15, 2015
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Grendel

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #176
italiahorse said:
But they did. So how can you assume it changed?


  1. ACL took a 50 year sublease of the Arena from CNR, with the option ofpaying a £1.9m per annum rent or a premium of £21m. In addition, “superrent” was payable, based on ACL’s net profit before tax, of 10% on profitsover £3.75m rising to 50% of profits over £7.75m.
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Oh dear
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #177
Nick said:
To start with the length had changed?
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.... and they paid £1M for it.
IMHO it makes sense for CCC to take some rent otherwise it does feel like poor business.
The point I'm making is no one on here knows and personal arguments are futile.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #178
italiahorse said:
.... and they paid £1M for it.
IMHO it makes sense for CCC to take some rent otherwise it does feel like poor business.
The point I'm making is no one on here knows and personal arguments are futile.
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Why not ask the council otmr seek a FOI request if they don't answer?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #179
Grendel said:
Why not ask the council otmr seek a FOI request if they don't answer?
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I've already done it and they can't disclose any details.
I guess it will come out in the accounts unless they have the same accountant as SISU.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #180
italiahorse said:
I've already done it and they can't disclose any details.
I guess it will come out in the accounts unless they have the same accountant as SISU.
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'Can't'

Interesting...

Have you appealed the decision?
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #181
Deleted member 5849 said:
'Can't'

Interesting...

Have you appealed the decision?
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Confidential agreement.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #182
italiahorse said:
I've already done it and they can't disclose any details.
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There's a shock. At this rate Kim Jong Un will be the next leader of CCC.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #183
italiahorse said:
Confidential agreement.
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Have you appealed the decision?
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #184
Grendel said:
Oh dear
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Sorry, I forgot you don't deal in facts.
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #185
chiefdave said:
How many times have they paid the superrent?
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stupot07 said:
They never made profits of more than £1m, so never paid any super rent. Wasps will just move money around so they don't have to pay any super rent.
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I never said they did. The point is it was in the old contract and IMHO it makes sense to carry it on.
Yes, profits can be hidden but there would be safeguards I assume.
 

Nick

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #186
italiahorse said:
I never said they did. The point is it was in the old contract and IMHO it makes sense to carry it on.
Yes, profits can be hidden but there would be safeguards I assume.
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Continuing your argument on an assumption?
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #187
Nick said:
Continuing your argument on an assumption?
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Seems to be the norm on here.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #188
I'm guessing you haven't appealed the decision...
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #189
italiahorse said:
Sorry, I forgot you don't deal in facts.
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Lol have you ever used a fact to support any of the dross you scribe.
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #190
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm guessing you haven't appealed the decision...
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Not that bothered.
Bad enough finding the secret door behind the council house and asking for Nigel.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #191
Grendel said:
Lol have you ever used a fact to support any of the dross you scribe.
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Yes that judges summation never fitted in with you did it :facepalm:
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #192
italiahorse said:
Not that bothered.
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Unsurprised.
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #193
Deleted member 5849 said:
Unsurprised.
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I'll just wait for the Wasps accounts email they promised me
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #194
italiahorse said:
Yes that judges summation never fitted in with you did it :facepalm:
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It fits in with Grendull perfectly. Didn't you hear? SISU lost the JR on purpose.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #195
italiahorse said:
I'll just wait for the Wasps accounts email they promised me
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Surely in the know will answer?
 

italiahorse

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #196
Nick said:
Surely in the know will answer?
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I'll ask her
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #197
She says get back on thread and Wasps are not a franchise.
Good enough for me.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #198
italiahorse said:
I'll just wait for the Wasps accounts email they promised me
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It won't be in their accounts, it will be in ACL's if any. It's ACL that have the lease agreement with CCC not wasps.


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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #199
italiahorse said:
I never said they did. The point is it was in the old contract and IMHO it makes sense to carry it on.
Yes, profits can be hidden but there would be safeguards I assume.
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I doubt there will be. Anyway, 10% on £3.5m profit is 1/4 of the rent we used to pay its peanuts, not sure why you're trying to big it up.


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Nick

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  • Apr 19, 2015
  • #200
italiahorse said:
She says get back on thread and Wasps are not a franchise.
Good enough for me.
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Ay????
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 20, 2015
  • #201
italiahorse said:
She says get back on thread and Wasps are not a franchise.
Good enough for me.
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So the definition of a franchise has now got nothing to do with upping sticks and moving 85 miles, but instead if you're owned by a hedge fund.

Good logic there.
 
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Intheknow

New Member
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #202
Grendel said:
No we know the deal was heavily put in favour of wasps and we know that it was reported at the time £1 million was taken off the loan. It's a fairly good assumption that's the freehold. It will be a peppercorn freehold no doubt.
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It is reported that £1m was not taken off loan but repaid. Big difference.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #203
Intheknow said:
It is reported that £1m was not taken off loan but repaid. Big difference.
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Got a link?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #204
Nick said:
Got a link?
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He doesn't need one as he's Intheknow.


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Intheknow

New Member
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #205
Nick said:
Got a link?
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So much of the deal is public knowledge you have to wonder why people continue to spout rubbish on here.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/wasps-rfc-accounts-reveal-63m-8720201
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #206
Intheknow said:
So much of the deal is public knowledge you have to wonder why people continue to spout rubbish on here.
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We can't all be in the position you are to be in the know though can we?
 
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Intheknow

New Member
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #207
Nick said:
We can't all be in the position you are though can we?
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Very true. Knowledge helps. But many on here profess knowledge but clearly have none.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #208
Intheknow said:
Very true. Knowledge helps. But many on here profess knowledge but clearly have none.
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Still a bit confused as to why somebody in your position would take the time to go onto a football forum of a team they have no interest in?

Surely this sort of PR exercise is way below your pay grade?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #209
Intheknow said:
Very true. Knowledge helps. But many on here profess knowledge but clearly have none.
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Where were you when I needed an answer?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 21, 2015
  • #210
Deleted member 5849 said:
Where were you when I needed an answer?
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Even the tea boy gets a day off now and then.


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