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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (12 Viewers)

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wingy

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,741
Bodies notes thanks to Martin Reeves and ACL for enabling/getting the games on?
 
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GIMOC

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,742
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s an understandable feeling given what was asked on the Tuesday before the game when discussions were taking place about games being played
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think you are getting confused. CCFC did put money in to ensure the Blackpool game went ahead. however CCFC couldn’t sustain that. Since then Ashley has funded the day to day operations
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,743
oldskyblue58 said:
Any company can agree an exclusivity period with a particular bidder, it doesn't just apply to administration
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Well yeah if it is just selling normally the seller can literally do what they want and listen to whatever bids they want?

If it's going to drop into admin, wipe away shit loads of debts but picks a particular offer in advance then it seems different.
 

shepardo01

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,744
shmmeee said:
Even other events/offices/etc? Who is paying the admin costs?
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I think this is the contentious thing. They aren't in admin until tomorrow.... so nobody... yet. . ??
 
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slowpoke

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,745
Nick said:
You aren't making any sense at all.

You are saying CCFC should have to pay to keep ACL going while Richardson does a deal with Ashley?
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No, I am saying the owner of ccfc has to pay for ccfc to operate
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,746
oldfiver said:
Secured creditors with a fixed charge

These are generally banks and other asset based lenders that hold a fixed charge over the asset in question – vehicles, for example, property, or land. The lender is entitled to recover possession of the asset on the insolvency of the company, with the fixed charge being registered with Companies House.
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Yes, my thoughts all along were that the lease was secure in the same way that a bank / mortgage / debenture / commercial premises works. The trustee (bank) has preference and the proceeds go there and on to the bondholders.

Some on here suggested that somehow that is beIng circumnavigated.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,747
GIMOC said:
pete. Your way off the mark there. Ashley paid substantial amount of money to get exclusivity. In turn that meant he has funded the day to day operations of the CBS for a few weeks now.
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Be good to see the timeline from ccfc making their payment and feeling there may be more on offer than a few home games to Ashley paying an exclusivity amount and keeping acl out of admin. Think both can be true
 

Nick

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,748
GIMOC said:
think you are getting confused. CCFC did put money in to ensure the Blackpool game went ahead. however CCFC couldn’t sustain that. Since then Ashley has funded the day to day operations
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£1.2m in losses to keep it running for 2 weeks?
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,749
slowpoke said:
No, I am saying the owner of ccfc has to pay for ccfc to operate
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We are talking about ACL operating.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,750
oldskyblue58 said:
Any company can agree an exclusivity period with a particular bidder, it doesn't just apply to administration
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But with the notice to appoint being spent is there a way of another party appointing an alternative administrator?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,751
Nick said:
Well yeah if it is just selling normally the seller can literally do what they want and listen to whatever bids they want?

If it's going to drop into admin, wipe away shit loads of debts but picks a particular offer in advance then it seems different.
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It isn’t different - the key is acl are to all intent and purpose insolvent

Ashley - we assume - has as part of the exclusivity deal funded the stadium costs and the £1 million payment. It gives security that the buffer is genuine compared to someone say on a radio station saying he’s got £20 million
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,752
Nick said:
£1.2m in losses to keep it running for 2 weeks?
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Legal fees “to ensure best outcome for creditors”
 

GIMOC

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,753
Nick said:
£1.2m in losses to keep it running for 2 weeks?
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no one knows the exact figure. For me, ashley is a shrewd businessman with plenty of advisors. He probably looks at the deal as short term pain, long term gain.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,754
So i asked before but is there any legal duty on company directors to entertain any other bids if they’ve filed a notice basically saying the company is screwed?

Could they turn down a higher bid basically?
 
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shepardo01

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,755
The Philosopher said:
But with the notice to appoint being spent is there a way of another party appointing an alternative administrator?
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Didn't we (CCFC) do this when (I think) ACL tried to put us into admin... and we then put ourselves in so as, I'm guessing, to have greater control after appointing the infamous Mr Appleton!!???.... who then sold us literally back to Sisu...
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,756
Nick said:
£1.2m in losses to keep it running for 2 weeks?
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thatx fees not running costs
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,757
shepardo01 said:
Didn't we (CCFC) do this when (I think) ACL tried to put us into admin... and we then put ourselves in so as, I'm guessing, to have greater control after appointing the infamous Mr Appleton!!???
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Wasn’t that because Sisu were the biggest creditor?
 

shepardo01

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,758
shmmeee said:
Wasn’t that because Sisu were the biggest creditor?
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No idea!!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,759
Grendel said:
It isn’t different - the key is acl are to all intent and purpose insolvent
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Yes so effectively how can Richardson decide which bid is best for creditors? As we have seen he is trying to get the charges removed.

If that happens, what's to stop him from saying "The £15m is mine and you can all share this £5"
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,760
Nick said:
£1.2m in losses to keep it running for 2 weeks?
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Are other functions still going ahead?
Exhibitions, hotel, Casino?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,761
The Philosopher said:
But with the notice to appoint being spent is there a way of another party appointing an alternative administrator?
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oddly that’s the purpose of the notice to appoint
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,762
shmmeee said:
Wasn’t that because Sisu were the biggest creditor?
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Is Richardon / Wasp Group somehow the biggest creditor?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,763
shmmeee said:
Wasn’t that because Sisu were the biggest creditor?
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In effect yes so they made the biggest bid on the total group debt
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,764
The Philosopher said:
Is Richardon / Wasp Group somehow the biggest creditor?
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no
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,765
And the real mystery: why has the tiny scoreboard on the posh stand not been turned on since Wasps went into admin?
 
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slowpoke

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,766
Nick said:
We are talking about ACL operating.
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How much per week do you reckon it costs to run the entire ccfc operation.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,767
slowpoke said:
How much per week do you reckon it costs to run the entire ccfc operation.
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What the fuck are you on about now?

Has "big mike" given you a toy helicopter when he's been in the council house or something?
 
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Jcap

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,768


well this is certainly news to me - no idea how true or not.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,769
40% of the money paid or 40% of something else?

It will be interesting to see if it happens.
 

tisza

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,770
Nick said:
Yes so effectively how can Richardson decide which bid is best for creditors? As we have seen he is trying to get the charges removed.

If that happens, what's to stop him from saying "The £15m is mine and you can all share this £5"
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Atm Richardson doesn't have decide which is the best deal for the creditors. The best deal for creditors becomes the administrator's concern - if one is appointed tomorrow.
 

shepardo01

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,771
Jcap said:
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well this is certainly news to me - no idea how true or not.
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Someone tell the bondholders!.... even less for them after that... if true (which it probably isn't far off)
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,772
shepardo01 said:
Someone tell the bondholders!.... even less for them after that... if true (which it probably isn't far off)
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I don’t see why we would care what money goes where
 
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Jcap

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  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,773
Nick said:
40% of the money paid or 40% of something else?

It will be interesting to see if it happens.
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No idea. Came across it on Twatter. Would certainly explain how he (Ashley) became preferred bidder?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,774
tisza said:
Atm Richardson doesn't have decide which is the best deal for the creditors. The best deal for creditors becomes the administrator's concern - if one is appointed tomorrow.
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How can it if the deal is already agreed for when it drops into admin?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 16, 2022
  • #12,775
Grendel said:
I don’t see why we would care what money goes where
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It would explain a few things.
 
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