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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (11 Viewers)

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Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,531
Mcbean said:
Or in their agenda - update on the latest Arena opportunity
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At this stage, the mushrooms will be slowly manoeuvring behind those who they believe will be the next council leader. No point in spending your own political points on defending this. Could be some promotions/demotions for anyone who plays the game well/bad.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,532
I'm wondering if some are already sounding out their colleagues?
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,533
Fucking hell lads. That was the toughest 11 pages of my life.

All that was said throughout it all was:

CCC are corrupt as fuck
We shouldn't talk about them being corrupt though

Over and over again
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,534
The Philosopher said:
It’s a fair musing.

Any asset with potential decent resale value and reliable income streams can usually be financed.

I’m fairly sure they can move / raise money even though atm financial products are all up in the air.

Short answer: SISU could find the money / a backer / partner on this I’m sure. MA has gone straight on the front foot though and his pockets are so deep it’d be a case of how far either party is going to have wanted to bid. MA would always win that one.
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Would that co-investor be exposed to Sisu's debt as well?
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,535
wingy said:
Would that co-investor be exposed to Sisu's debt as well?
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We’re into the really hypothetical zone now:

If investor had some kind of security (not like the dodgy Bond type) over the stadium in a non-group newco which held the lease and charged rent then it’s possible to isolate I guess.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,536
The Philosopher said:
We’re into the really hypothetical zone now:

If investor had some kind of security (not like the dodgy Bond type) over the stadium in a non-group newco which held the lease and charged rent then it’s possible to isolate I guess.
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How would they get 51% of the club without taking on its debts? They’d need to own the company that has the golden share wouldn’t they? I’ve long given up trying to follow the ownership structures and charges so apologies if this is a stupid question.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,537
shmmeee said:
How would they get 51% of the club without taking on its debts? They’d need to own the company that has the golden share wouldn’t they? I’ve long given up trying to follow the ownership structures and charges so apologies if this is a stupid question.
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Not sure they would
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,538
shmmeee said:
How would they get 51% of the club without taking on its debts? They’d need to own the company that has the golden share wouldn’t they? I’ve long given up trying to follow the ownership structures and charges so apologies if this is a stupid question.
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Sorry, I wasn’t clear there - I’d missed the context maybe.

I was referring to a backer on buying the Arena with / for / SISU / CCFC.

However, it’s not impossible and to build a company within a company group and park tranches of liability. Commercial warrantees indemnifying investors against certain liabilities are often part of any buy out / buy in. All things are possible.

You are right about the golden share being key and it’s that bit which would be crucial.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,539
shmmeee said:
How would they get 51% of the club without taking on its debts? They’d need to own the company that has the golden share wouldn’t they? I’ve long given up trying to follow the ownership structures and charges so apologies if this is a stupid question.
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It’s nonsense anyone would buy 51% of a debt laden company. Was true also as to why no one would have purchased the Higgs share of ACL of course
 
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Briles

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,540
Helicopter just landed at ricoh on my way past
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,541
Briles said:
Helicopter just landed at ricoh on my way past
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I think she's bitten off more than she can chew this time

 
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jordan210

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,542
Briles said:
Helicopter just landed at ricoh on my way past
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G-moal does show in that area
 

Calista

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,543
Everyone keeps hoping for CCFC and the stadium to be ‘united’, which sounds great. If it doesn’t happen we have been ‘fucked over’.

But a) the stadium hasn’t exactly proved to be a cash cow so far, although maybe there are real estate opportunities b) nobody has ever (including now) put forward a credible proposal to own both entities and c) even if they did they would keep them at arms’ length in separate companies. So joint ownership in itself isn’t the answer UNLESS the owner has football ambitions. All that really matters to me as a fan is who owns CCFC and whether they are prepared to fund an improving team on the pitch.

Can only hope that this process will eventually get us there.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,544
Grendel said:
It’s nonsense anyone would buy 51% of a debt laden company. Was true also as to why no one would have purchased the Higgs share of ACL of course
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So how would this supposed Sisu deal work then? And why couldn’t Ashley do it if Sisu are being nobs about selling up?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,545
clint van damme said:
I think she's bitten off more than she can chew this time

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The helicopter is dressed as a PowerRanger and has those foam swimming pool tube things as feet.

Also, Joy looks trans and about to umpire on centre court.

De-bunked m8
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 15, 2022
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Calista said:
Everyone keeps hoping for CCFC and the stadium to be ‘united’, which sounds great. If it doesn’t happen we have been ‘fucked over’.

But a) the stadium hasn’t exactly proved to be a cash cow so far, although maybe there are real estate opportunities b) nobody has ever (including now) put forward a credible proposal to own both entities and c) even if they did they would keep them at arms’ length in separate companies. So joint ownership in itself isn’t the answer UNLESS the owner has football ambitions. All that really matters to me as a fan is who owns CCFC and whether they are prepared to fund an improving team on the pitch.

Can only hope that this process will eventually get us there.
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I think ultimately everyone’s coming from that position. Just depends what you think will get us there: Sisu having a “sellable package” or Ashley having the upper hand, or just Sisu coming to their senses and selling up because the arena has gone.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,547
Gilbert just posted on the bondholders page on FB suggesting the exclusivity clause is preventing higher bids from being accepted. Wonder if he knows anything that hasn’t come to light yet.

 

Briles

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,548
jordan210 said:
G-moal does show in that area
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Yeah someone's just put a vid on fb too
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,549
Ohh other bids on the table which are higher than Ashley's?

Looks like it wasn't about the best bid but getting this particular one though
 
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shepardo01

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,550
SHUNT31 said:
Gilbert just posted on the bondholders page on FB suggesting the exclusivity clause is preventing higher bids from being accepted. Wonder if he knows anything that hasn’t come to light yet.

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Interesting!!!
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,551
SHUNT31 said:
Gilbert just posted on the bondholders page on FB suggesting the exclusivity clause is preventing higher bids from being accepted. Wonder if he knows anything that hasn’t come to light yet.

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Implying administrator breaking the law?
Trustee too,?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,552
wingy said:
Implying administrator breaking the law?
Trustee too,?
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ACL isn't in Administration yet though.

Wonder if it's a lower bid but better for Richardson personally.....
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,553
SHUNT31 said:
Gilbert just posted on the bondholders page on FB suggesting the exclusivity clause is preventing higher bids from being accepted. Wonder if he knows anything that hasn’t come to light yet.

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Nick said:
Ohh other bids on the table which are higher than Ashley's?

Looks like it wasn't about the best bid but getting this particular one though
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Not necessarily. I presume there was a deadline for offers linked to when ACL cash was running out. Parties probably had to submit their offers/declare their interest and potentially pay a non refundable deposit by a certain date to stop the arena being closed. In exchange for a non refundable deposit the bidder would want a period of exclusivity to give them time to complete the deal.

Offers may well be coming in now but my question would be are they deliverable and why didn’t they submit them by the deadline. If they were submitted prior to the deadline and ignored that’s a major problem, but I doubt that’s the case

Soon find out on Thursday
 
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shepardo01

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,554
Nick said:
ACL isn't in Administration yet though.

Wonder if it's a lower bid but better for Richardson personally.....
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Or one that simply isn't SISU....
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,555
If SISU have bid, I’d be intrigued at the timescale. Exclusivity deals are in general common practice.
 

jordan210

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,556
Nick said:
ACL isn't in Administration yet though.

Wonder if it's a lower bid but better for Richardson personally.....
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Isn't the administrator in control of ACL. As isn't running as a normal business.

Sisu gona batter them all in court
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,557
Are we going to get another "didn'tanswerthephonegate" ?
 

Nick

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,558
jordan210 said:
Isn't the administrator in control of ACL. As isn't running as a normal business.

Sisu gona batter them all in court
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ACL isn't in Administration.

Richardson is running it.... So it will be interesting to see if these bids exist and if they are better for creditors in general (more for them) compared to more for Richardson...
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,559
So exclusivity prevented full administration or.liquidation but results in higher bids .
Wouldn't that be odd?
 

jordan210

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,560
Nick said:
ACL isn't in Administration.

Richardson is running it.... So it will be interesting to see if these bids exist and if they are better for creditors in general (more for them) compared to more for Richardson...
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Pretty sure Burges Salmon are running it. As they are like halfway between admin due to exclusivity.

Also not been mentioned before. But on case board shows a liquidator as interested as an applicator.

A really random small company.
 

tisza

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,561
SHUNT31 said:
Gilbert just posted on the bondholders page on FB suggesting the exclusivity clause is preventing higher bids from being accepted. Wonder if he knows anything that hasn’t come to light yet.

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Safe to assume the exclusivity payment is what is keeping ACL out of liquidation at the moment?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,562
So could a lower bid in liquidation garner more reward for the bondholders or does the charge disappear at that point or does the CCC just take the lease?
 

Nick

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,563
So in theory it's the exclusivity fee that gets it regardless of bid contents? Doesn't seem right.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,564
Nothing ever straight forward with this club
this is an absolute mess isn't it, you have to laugh... or cry.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 
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jordan210

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  • Nov 15, 2022
  • #12,565
Nick said:
So in theory it's the exclusivity fee that gets it regardless of bid contents? Doesn't seem right.
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From the snippets we have seen basically lets you do all the due diligence and fact finding. without the worry of being out bid.

Then its up to the judge on Thursday to decide if thats the best deal or not.
 
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