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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (5 Viewers)

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slowpoke

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  • Oct 7, 2022
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shmmeee said:
we’ve all said pretty much since it opened it needs a collection of bars and restaurants nearby. Why we’ve had eight million hotel proposals and none of that i don’t know. Would be perfect if they can get the canal in too.
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Wasn’t that an idea way back for houses etc to be built alongside the canal and red hills
 

higgs

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  • Oct 7, 2022
  • #1,052
Hope the coventry building society buy the stadium

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 7, 2022
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slowpoke said:
Wasn’t that an idea way back for houses etc to be built alongside the canal and red hills
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I aways thought there was a plan for a Marino type area on the grassy area behind the train track
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 7, 2022
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shmmeee said:
we’ve all said pretty much since it opened it needs a collection of bars and restaurants nearby. Why we’ve had eight million hotel proposals and none of that i don’t know. Would be perfect if they can get the canal in too.
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Can't find anyone to take up the space for Chiquito's/Frankie + Benny's/Pizza Hut. Can't get a train more than a few carriages either
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 8, 2022
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When Warwickshire cc weren’t getting the support from Birmingham council there was a little bit of talk of them moving around the arena, was never going to happen but got their council to move a bit.
 
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rexo87

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  • Oct 8, 2022
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Whoever buys it needs to sort out the train situation. Its ridiculous we have a train station that can hardly be used

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Cranfield Sky Blue

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  • Oct 8, 2022
  • #1,057
Kingokings204 said:
where I go every time I have a date night
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Are you single by any chance?
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Oct 8, 2022
  • #1,058
higgs said:
Hope the coventry building society buy the stadium

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CBS have a very simple business plan. Which is savings and mortgages. Running an arena sits well out their wheelhouse. For that reason I really doubt its an option.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Oct 8, 2022
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Surerly some rich person somewhere in the world has been alerted to this and is looking at this as an opportunity
 
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tisza

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  • Oct 8, 2022
  • #1,060
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Wasn't part of the decision that the other interests created more revenue and would give the club a more stable income over the year.

The slight problem being they never owned it.

Also, isn't access to some parts of the football stadium via the other 'non football' part, so would we to pay for access.
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Problem is it's never really paid no matter who ran it.
The millstone was always the loan that the council took out to complete the stadium.
That loan was basically why the original rent was too high. It was the annual loan repayment .

By the time Wasps took over it was only half paid. Hence their need for this bond. The bond just transferred that loan debt from one point to another - bank to council to bondholders ( very simplified).

And people always find an excuse for it not working - ég not enough hotel rooms (but CCC wouldn't let independent people build some). Not enough concerts - why don't bands use it? Stand to be corrected but has it ever done more than 2 a summer? No reason it couldn't do more.
Not sure in the foreseeable future that anyone can come in and just turn it into a large cash generator.

And dividing off bits seems a weak strategy in as much as the bits do tend to feed each other. Hotel reliant on the conferencing/exhibition side. Casino finances must get a decent boost from both the hotel, conferencing and various matchday traffic.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 8, 2022
  • #1,061
covcity4life said:
Surerly some rich person somewhere in the world has been altered to this and is looking at this as an opportunity
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 8, 2022
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tisza said:
Problem is it's never really paid no matter who ran it.
The millstone was always the loan that the council took out to complete the stadium.
That loan was basically why the original rent was too high. It was the annual loan repayment .

By the time Wasps took over it was only half paid. Hence their need for this bond. The bond just transferred that loan debt from one point to another - bank to council to bondholders ( very simplified).

And people always find an excuse for it not working - ég not enough hotel rooms (but CCC wouldn't let independent people build some). Not enough concerts - why don't bands use it? Stand to be corrected but has it ever done more than 2 a summer? No reason it couldn't do more.
Not sure in the foreseeable future that anyone can come in and just turn it into a large cash generator.

And dividing off bits seems a weak strategy in as much as the bits do tend to feed each other. Hotel reliant on the conferencing/exhibition side. Casino finances must get a decent boost from both the hotel, conferencing and various matchday traffic.
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Well just say Livenation did buy the arena would they buy the club too or just rent us the pitch, if the latter we may as well move and try to get a football stadium built elsewhere. Where and by who f#ck knows!
 

Sick Boy

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  • Oct 8, 2022
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rexo87 said:
Whoever buys it needs to sort out the train situation. Its ridiculous we have a train station that can hardly be used

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Yeah it’s beyond a joke - I’d like to see them do something similar to Brighton where the match ticket includes the train.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 8, 2022
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rexo87 said:
Whoever buys it needs to sort out the train situation. Its ridiculous we have a train station that can hardly be used

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Isn't that due to stuff at cov station etc?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 8, 2022
  • #1,065
Sick Boy said:
Yeah it’s beyond a joke - I’d like to see them do something similar to Brighton where the match ticket includes the train.
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Nick said:
Isn't that due to stuff at cov station etc?
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All about the money and no fucker knowing how to pull their finger out of their asses for the betterment of the area.
 
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skybluepm2

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,066
Former Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby clubFormer Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby club
 

Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,067
skybluepm2 said:
Former Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby clubFormer Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby clubView attachment 26458
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If this happens i think thats me done for the time being after this season.

We will never progress without the stadium or new ownership and its fucking soul destroying
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,068
skybluepm2 said:
Former Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby clubFormer Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby clubView attachment 26458
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That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,069
Saddlebrains said:
If this happens i think thats me done for the time being after this season.

We will never progress without the stadium or new ownership and its fucking soul destroying
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Take out the hating wasps thing, How the fuck is a rugby club attracting a £50 million bid
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,070
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Take out the hating wasps thing, How the fuck is a rugby club attracting a £50 million bid
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Was always going to happen, they were always going to wriggle out of it the cunts
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,071
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Take out the hating wasps thing, How the fuck is a rugby club attracting a £50 million bid
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It’s the stadium as well and it would mean Richardson losing a fair bit of money - also would explain why the council are getting advice as they’d agree assignment

It’s believable
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,072
Saddlebrains said:
Was always going to happen, they were always going to wriggle out of it the cunts
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It’s not wriggling out?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,073
Grendel said:
It’s the stadium as well and it would mean Richardson losing a fair bit of money - also would explain why the council are getting advice as they’d agree assignment

It’s believable
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The interesting part is them asking not to relegate during admin process, and that other firms want the Ricoh only.
 

duffer

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,074
There's a bit more on this here.

Former Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby club

A former boss of crisis-hit Wasps is spearheading a takeover bid for the Premiership Rugby club that could save it from the threat of relegation or extinction.
www.mkfm.com

Interestingly there's a bit in that report that says...

"People close to the auction of Wasps say a solvent deal to buy the club and its stadium, either together or separately, is unlikely.

The Terminum Capital bid led by Mr Armstrong is said to have requested to Premiership Rugby Limited, the league's administrator, and the Rugby Football Union, the sport's governing body, that a deal executed through an administration process should not result in the club's relegation.

The game's authorities have the discretion to apply a points deduction rather than demotion in the event of something called a 'no-fault administration', according to one rugby insider.

Wasps' stadium includes conference and banqueting facilities which are believed to have drawn interest from a number of other bidders which are not interested in buying the rugby club itself.
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So basically, Wasps go into admin but the RFU treat them differently to Worcester by not relegating them - that's what they're banking on for this deal to go through...
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,075
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Take out the hating wasps thing, How the fuck is a rugby club attracting a £50 million bid
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Unbelievable…. Hasn’t this guy not learned the lessons of the past!? They lose £10m a year… that investment will pay off the bond and Richardson but will only let them survive for a further season.

Madness!!
 

higgs

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,076
Where's haskell when you need him

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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,077
duffer said:
There's a bit more on this here.

Former Wasps chief spearheads bid for stricken Premiership Rugby club

A former boss of crisis-hit Wasps is spearheading a takeover bid for the Premiership Rugby club that could save it from the threat of relegation or extinction.
www.mkfm.com

Interestingly there's a bit in that report that says...

"People close to the auction of Wasps say a solvent deal to buy the club and its stadium, either together or separately, is unlikely.

The Terminum Capital bid led by Mr Armstrong is said to have requested to Premiership Rugby Limited, the league's administrator, and the Rugby Football Union, the sport's governing body, that a deal executed through an administration process should not result in the club's relegation.

The game's authorities have the discretion to apply a points deduction rather than demotion in the event of something called a 'no-fault administration', according to one rugby insider.

Wasps' stadium includes conference and banqueting facilities which are believed to have drawn interest from a number of other bidders which are not interested in buying the rugby club itself.
"

So basically, Wasps go into admin but the RFU treat them differently to Worcester by not relegating them - that's what they're banking on for this deal to go through...
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Which they will. No way do they relegate two teams
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,078
A no fault administration how can nobody be at fault for poor management
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,079
skybluepm2 said:
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Am I reading that correctly? That bid depends on the club going into admin and the RFU confirming they won’t relegate Wasps as a result of administration as their financial issues are the result of covid.

That seems a stretch to say the least, they were in a mess long before covid. And what happens to the bond holders in this scenario, do they end up with nothing?
 
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coop

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,080
Just flicked over to see how many in the stadium it looks like no more than 4k all the ground open and almost empty apart from main stand.How can they sustain this.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,081
Grendel said:
It’s not wriggling out?
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It's the usual white knight for someone else while we remain stuck with leeches
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,082
CCFC54321 said:
Unbelievable…. Hasn’t this guy not learned the lessons of the past!? They lose £10m a year… that investment will pay off the bond and Richardson but will only let them survive for a further season.

Madness!!
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It won’t pay off Richardson at all
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,083
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's the usual white knight for someone else while we remain stuck with leeches
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They look pretty flaky
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,084
chiefdave said:
Am I reading that correctly? That bid depends on the club going into admin and the RFU confirming they won’t relegate Wasps as a result of administration as their financial issues are the result of covid.

That seems a stretch to say the least, they were in a mess long before covid. And what happens to the bond holders in this scenario, do they end up with nothing?
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That’s how I read it but was confused that sources close to this say it’s unlikely?
 

Mcbean

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  • Oct 9, 2022
  • #1,085
Worcester relegated - will be looked at very closely if wasps dont get the same
 
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