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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (2 Viewers)

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shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,131
fatso said:
Of course we shouldn't have, that was purely down to Sisu's apaling behaviour.
I've said they made numerous fuck ups, and deliberately breaking their tenancy agreement was their biggest mistake. (Imo)

But you can't say that without them, we'd still be a going concern. No one else was willing to save us. We didn't choose Sisu, they were quite literally the only option we had. The fans who think they've used CCFC as some form of cash cow must have gone to the Liz Truss school of economics!

They've clearly taken us as far as they are going to, so if Mr Ashley can take us on and improve us, I'm more than willing to welcome him.
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This is entirely hypothetical though. Very few clubs our size just disappear. The vast majority on that list I posted are fine. Just naming the one case that did go pop doesn’t prove anything.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,132
Travs said:
Someone like Wasps then?
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Yes. As much as we like to wail about it, on its face it was a golden opportunity to not end up with an empty arena and to bring a major sporting franchise to the city. These are good things from the councils perspective. That’s why every councillor voted for it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,133
fatso said:
Of course we shouldn't have, that was purely down to Sisu's apaling behaviour.
I've said they made numerous fuck ups, and deliberately breaking their tenancy agreement was their biggest mistake. (Imo)

But you can't say that without them, we'd still be a going concern. No one else was willing to save us. We didn't choose Sisu, they were quite literally the only option we had. The fans who think they've used CCFC as some form of cash cow must have gone to the Liz Truss school of economics!

They've clearly taken us as far as they are going to, so if Mr Ashley can take us on and improve us, I'm more than willing to welcome him.
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There was the Manhattan Group I believe
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,134
Travs said:



Someone like Wasps then?
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I think one of the UK’s most successful self made billionaire entrepreneurs (that’s what he is even if he’s unpopular) is a different prospect for CCC than a nomad rugby team.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,135
People need to stop thinking like CCFC fans first on this when asking why people whose legal duty and literal job is not CCFC. The only people legally required to put CCFC first above all else are it’s owners. Which has been my point on here for almost a decade now.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,136
I still don't understand how SISU, on learning the pitch had not been relayed as agreed because Wasps had run out of cash, and finding other things around the stadium not done, would somehow have had less of an inkling of impending admin than people detached from the lack of cash.
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,137
shmmeee said:
This is entirely hypothetical though. Very few clubs our size just disappear. The vast majority on that list I posted are fine. Just naming the one case that did go pop doesn’t prove anything.
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Not many on that list are in a better position (in the league) than us though.
Leeds are obviously a much bigger club, and the likes of Bournmouth and Palace had the kind of investment we would die for. Leicester were able to just right off a massive chunk of their debt and then carry on as if it never existed. (The rules were later changed to prevent that)

We were (and still are) hampered by the fact that we didn't own our own stadium, and so our revenue streams were restricted, but that goes back way before Sisu rode into town.
 

bawtryneal

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,138
Nick said:
So what day is something likely to happen?

Is Ashley funding ACL at the moment?
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Be patient
My guess is early Jan
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,139
fatso said:
Not many on that list are in a better position (in the league) than us though.
Leeds are obviously a much bigger club, and the likes of Bournmouth and Palace had the kind of investment we would die for. Leicester were able to just right off a massive chunk of their debt and then carry on as if it never existed. (The rules were later changed to prevent that)

We were (and still are) hampered by the fact that we didn't own our own stadium, and so our revenue streams were restricted, but that goes back way before Sisu rode into town.
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Now you’re making a whole new argument. Your entire point rests on Sisu being out saviours and now it’s “oh maybe we’d have been worse with someone else”.

And a few pies are not the difference between a successful club or not. Even Sisu have said that several times right from the Ranson days.

They’ve survived on this mythos of being hard nosed genius businesspeople but they’re just not very good at owning a football club.
 

slowpoke

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,140
Nick said:
So what day is something likely to happen.
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Isn’t it after the court case next Wednesday if not what is the court case for,
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,141
Dork-ins is on one again, he says he doesn't talk CCFC business normally
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,142
Fucking announcement announcements can get in the bin. Literally never live up to the hype.
 
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rexo87

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,143
Gynnsthetonic said:
Dork-ins is on one again, he says he doesn't talk CCFC business normally
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My guess is he will have had a few beers and just wants some attention. The tweet will be deleted in the morning

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk
 
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tisza

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,144
Gynnsthetonic said:
Dork-ins is on one again, he says he doesn't talk CCFC business normally
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starting to look like a wind-up merchant/attention seeker
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,145
rexo87 said:
My guess is he will have had a few beers and just wants some attention. The tweet will be deleted in the morning

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And it's gone already
 
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rexo87

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,146
Gynnsthetonic said:
And it's gone already
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Hahaha shock

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CCFC_Irish

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,147
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shmmeee said:
People need to stop thinking like CCFC fans first on this when asking why people whose legal duty and literal job is not CCFC. The only people legally required to put CCFC first above all else are it’s owners. Which has been my point on here for almost a decade now.
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Who still fail to put CCFC first
 
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speedie87

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,148
What did the tweet say?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,149
speedie87 said:
What did the tweet say?
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Going to break protocol in the next 24/48 hours #PUSB
 

junglej13

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,150
speedie87 said:
What did the tweet say?
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Previously he had said he doesn't talk about business on twitter. His tweet said something like 'considering breaking protocol in the next 24/48 hours #PUSB'
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,151
Gynnsthetonic said:
Going to break protocol in the next 24/48 hours #PUSB
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Cant you just tell us now?
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,152
Dawkins is such a clown.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,153
shmmeee said:
Cant you just tell us now?
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He knows as much as everybody else on here about what's going on.
 

slowpoke

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  • Nov 9, 2022
  • #11,154
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Dawkins is such a clown.
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Please explain why.
 

alexccfc99

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,155
If John Dawkins was to ever be involved in the club at a boardroom level his conduct on social media would be something that worries me to be honest
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,156
I’d just love nothing more than an owner to come in and give none of the gimmicky shite or shoot their mouth off on social media (That clown who owned Villa a few years ago comes to mind)

Just someone to pump a fair bit of money into the club and let MR do his thing, unfortunately we aren’t that lucky
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,157
alexccfc99 said:
If John Dawkins was to ever be involved in the club at a boardroom level his conduct on social media would be something that worries me to be honest
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Don't think you'll need to worry about that
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,158
shmmeee said:
Now you’re making a whole new argument. Your entire point rests on Sisu being out saviours and now it’s “oh maybe we’d have been worse with someone else”.

And a few pies are not the difference between a successful club or not. Even Sisu have said that several times right from the Ranson days.

They’ve survived on this mythos of being hard nosed genius businesspeople but they’re just not very good at owning a football club.
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But whether you like it or not, they were our saviours, I've yet to hear you or anyone else put up any meaningful argument to the contrary! It's not debatable, it's FACT. You can't rewrite history to suit your own agenda.
 
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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,159
fatso said:
But whether you like it or not, they were our saviours, I've yet to hear you or anyone else put up any meaningful argument to the contrary! It's not debatable, it's FACT. You can't rewrite history to suit your own agenda.
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They contrived a position to exclude any other bidders or competition. It'd be like saying without Mike Ashley the arena would be knocked down.
 

fatso

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,160
Deleted member 5849 said:
They contrived a position to exclude any other bidders or competition. It'd be like saying without Mike Ashley the arena would be knocked down.
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That's absolute nonsense, who did they preclude from bidding exactly,
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 10, 2022
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fatso said:
That's absolute nonsense, who did they preclude from bidding exactly,
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Other bidders. Shapiro were the main namechecked one immediately prior.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,162
You know, in not eating my time to writing all this over and again on my phone only to be met by a nah, without any consideration or understanding.

SISU understand the processes!
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,163
fatso said:
But whether you like it or not, they were our saviours, I've yet to hear you or anyone else put up any meaningful argument to the contrary! It's not debatable, it's FACT. You can't rewrite history to suit your own agenda.
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Everyone has different views.

It could be argued that when we had the “twenty mins from admin” situation had SISU not been around another buyer may have come in, or, we entered admin (as we did later anyway) and someone else take over whilst we had less debt and 10 points knocked. Maybe the alternative buyer from admin had the good sense to do a deal with CCC wrt the CBS. GR liked the SISU option since it gave him a chance of his £20m without him having to dig deeper himself (didn’t work out though)

Saviours?

It’s a view.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,164
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There was the Manhattan Group I believe
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I think Robinson was back in for the club aswell. He was pushed aside ironically by the council who were only entertaining the idea of SISU.

in actual fact their track records of handpicking preferred bidders isn’t looking to hot
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Nov 10, 2022
  • #11,165
I've heard from an ITK that Dawkins is a late contestant in 'I'm a Celebrity',
Could be what the deleted tweet is referring to. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
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