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Grendel

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,361
clint van damme said:
Why? It pretty much sums them up. Hopefully they don't playing stupid if/when Ashley does bid for the club, take what's on offer and go.
They won't win a fight with him.
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he thinks Seppala needs £60 million
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,362
covcity4life said:
Fucking over sisu is fucking over the club tho
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It’s like when we had some fans willing us to get relegated to League 1 to get rid of SISU, then it was League 2…all it did was threaten the clubs existence.
The game away vs Notts C will probably be one of the most important in our lifetime, especially considering the starkly different directions the 2 clubs have gone in.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,363
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
What’s he said that’s incorrect? They had the chance they’ve waited for for 8 years.

they’ve blown it and once again someone has swooped in again!
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Grendel said:
Unfortunately Seppala, Fisher and Boddy are habitual liars. They have an agenda which is opposed to what supporters want.
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Opposed agenda?

SISU want the club to not get relegated for a start.

If that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’d be surprised.

They want to fluke promotion - if that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’m surprised too.

That they have made mistakes - agreed.

“opposed agenda”

- clueless.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,364
The Philosopher said:
Opposed agenda?

SISU want the club to not get relegated for a start.

If that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’d be surprised.

They want to fluke promotion - if that’s opposed to what supporters want then I’m surprised too.

That they have made mistakes - agreed.

“opposed agenda”

- clueless.
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they couldn’t give a fuck what League that we are in
 
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hill83

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,365
Sick Boy said:
It’s like when we had some fans willing us to get relegated to League 1 to get rid of SISU, then it was League 2…all it did was threaten the clubs existence.
The game away vs Notts C will probably be one of the most important in our lifetime, especially considering the starkly different directions the 2 clubs have gone in.
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3 offside goals as well wasn’t it. Beautiful.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,366
Grendel said:
he thinks Seppala needs £60 million
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What do you think she needs?

Any answer (no - because you’ve no clue)

Like I’ve said - clueless
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,367
Grendel said:
they couldn’t give a fuck what League that we are in
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What are you saying? That the huge loss of income and investment value isn’t important to them.

You really are clueless. Please keep posting, it’s making me laugh.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,368
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
How long has Ashley got to complete terms out of interest? Aren’t we 1 week in from Tuesday?
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It won't be over until the fat lady sings, will it.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,369
The Philosopher said:
What are you saying? That the huge loss of income and investment value isn’t important to them.
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Fisher himself said our model would work in the division below the one we're in, but not the one we are in.
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,370
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Fisher himself said our model would work in the division below the one we're in, but not the one we are in.
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Really?

Evidence?

Context?

(not sticking up for him - I saw a fans forum with him “I do the jokes”, he said. Couldn’t read the room - not a person for all people)
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,371
The Philosopher said:
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Really?

Evidence?

Context?

(not sticking for him - I saw a fans forum with him “I do the jokes”, he said. Couldn’t read the room - not a person for all people)
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It was word for word - said our model won’t work in the championship. Same one they said they wouldn’t sell at the bottom of the cycle
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,372
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
It was word for word - said our model won’t work in the championship. Same one they said they wouldn’t sell at the bottom of the cycle
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Link?

What was the context? That the model needed change or, as implied, that we should seek to be relegated like Ol’ Clueless suggests.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,373
Sisu are totally different to all other owners in the league

The whole purpose is to offer investor returns and investment protection

A relegation and it’s simply a cold calculated adjustment to react accordingly - sell players when needed - and reward accordingly

In fact the most successful period this worked was league 1. This league has proven well beyond their level

What do fans want?

Open communication
security of tenure
Investment
Community association
No politics before the club

They fail at everything
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,374
The Philosopher said:
Link?

What was the context? That the model needed change or, as implied, that we should seek to be relegated like Ol’ Clueless suggests.
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There isn’t a link - it was said in a fans forum. Someone mentioned investment and he was going through how we operate. Said we don’t have the finances to just spend and the model we currently run won’t work in the championship.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,375
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
There isn’t a link - it was said in a fans forum. Someone mentioned investment and he was going through how we operate. Said we don’t have the finances to just spend and the model we currently run won’t work in the championship.
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So the context was that the model in place at that time wouldn’t work in the Champ; which is a far cry from suggesting that we shouldn’t be there and wants relegation.

There must be a link, I thought all fans forums were recorded by someone.
 

Otis

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,376
hill83 said:
Like the council as well? Say something bad about the council and I’ll post you a Mars bar
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Can't you make it a Bounty?
 

hill83

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,377
Otis said:
Can't you make it a Bounty?
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Too soon
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,378
The Philosopher said:
What are you saying? That the huge loss of income and investment value isn’t important to them.

You really are clueless. Please keep posting, it’s making me laugh.
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We didn’t lose as much in L1. They’d much prefer us there. They’ve said as much “the model doesn’t work in the Championship”
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,379
The Philosopher said:
So the context was that the model in place at that time wouldn’t work in the Champ; which is a far cry from suggesting that we shouldn’t be there and wants relegation.

There must be a link, I thought all fans forums were recorded by someone.
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The desperation is becoming too obvious
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,380
The Philosopher said:
So the context was that the model in place at that time wouldn’t work in the Champ; which is a far cry from suggesting that we shouldn’t be there and wants relegation.

There must be a link, I thought all fans forums were recorded by someone.
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Nobody said they wanted relegation, it’s just the clubs Optimal running level. One which doesn’t really give SISU the added headache and costs.

it was one at the holiday inn. If you want to go searching for the link then go for it, but I was there. So either take the witness statement or don’t
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,381
shmmeee said:
We didn’t lose as much in L1. They’d much prefer us there. They’ve said as much “the model doesn’t work in the Championship”
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Wasn't the last time they actually took money out of the club when we were in L1?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,382
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Nobody said they wanted relegation, it’s just the clubs Optimal running level. One which doesn’t really give SISU the added headache and costs.

it was one at the holiday inn. If you want to go searching for the link then go for it, but I was there. So either take the witness statement or don’t
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The point is the league is irrelevant to them
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,383
clint van damme said:
Wasn't the last time they actually took money out of the club when we were in L1?
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Yes around £1.9 million I believe
 

Astute

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,384
Saddlebrains said:
Well funny how many people are talking about Ashley owning us and money invested etc


We're in for a world of pain the next few seasons. Seppala v Ashley will go on longer than the Vietnam war. 2 people who are used to getting thier own way, no matter who or what collateral gets harmed. On this occasion, us and our football club.

Ashley will not just pick us up. Hes clever hes got the stadium and again puts sisu in a corner

What does Joy do when the backs against the wall? Litigation, threats, move us, pull funding, make enemies.

This is the worst possible outcome. Of course he wants the club but he wouldn't think twice about distressing us to get it cheaper.

Amazed how many of you are still in cloud cuckoo land with this and talking as if hes already our owner
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You haven't answered previous questions.

Litigation? On what grounds?

Move us? What excuse do SISU give if the contract for the arena is kept to?

Stop funding? So they get us relegated and worth much less than we are now?

One main question I asked you previously was how can you be so sure that there already hasn't been talks. Why have SISU been quiet for once when the arena is the main topic?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,385
The Philosopher said:
Clueless
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The Philosopher said:
clueless
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The Philosopher said:
clueless
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The thing is... I've been reading the posts on here, and it ain't Grendel who's clueless on this particular issue.

He's right that the club has no intrinsic value, and the cost to buy is how much of the debt somebody is prepared to take on/ settle.

He's right that the league level is of secondary priority to the owners of the football club than breaking even at worst, making a profit at best.

He's right that their track record for honesty has been distinctly dubious.
 
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hill83

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  • Nov 6, 2022
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,387
Grendel said:
The point is the league is irrelevant to them
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The league is irrelevant?

They want PL money - anyone that thinks they don’t has no grasp of reality.

L1 is further away from the PL

I’ll say it again:

Clueless
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,388
Astute said:
You haven't answered previous questions.

Litigation? On what grounds?

Move us? What excuse do SISU give if the contract for the arena is kept to?

Stop funding? So they get us relegated and worth much less than we are now?

One main question I asked you previously was how can you be so sure that there already hasn't been talks. Why have SISU been quiet for once when the arena is the main topic?
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Not clueless
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,389
The Philosopher said:
The league is irrelevant?

They want PL money - anyone that thinks they don’t has no grasp of reality.

L1 is further away from the PL

I’ll say it again:

Clueless
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They want PL money on a league two budget.
 
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Samo

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,390
Grendel said:
Sisu are totally different to all other owners in the league

The whole purpose is to offer investor returns and investment protection

A relegation and it’s simply a cold calculated adjustment to react accordingly - sell players when needed - and reward accordingly

In fact the most successful period this worked was league 1. This league has proven well beyond their level

What do fans want?

Open communication
security of tenure
Investment
Community association
No politics before the club

They fail at everything
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Yeah but there was the sky blue dress
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,391
The Philosopher said:
Not clueless
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They haven’t provided actual funding since 2012
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,392
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Nobody said they wanted relegation, it’s just the clubs Optimal running level. One which doesn’t really give SISU the added headache and costs.

it was one at the holiday inn. If you want to go searching for the link then go for it, but I was there. So either take the witness statement or don’t
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I’ve no reason to believe he didn’t say that in the context of the L1 model not working in the Champ.

I think he’s a bit lacking in communication skills but I’m sure that he doesn’t crave relegation as suggested.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,393
Grendel said:
They haven’t provided actual funding since 2012
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Clueless,

They’ve underwritten losses.

It’s like saying that using your credit card isn’t spending money.

We’d all like them to have spent more, but they haven’t.

Clueless.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,394
The Philosopher said:
I’ve no reason to believe he didn’t say that in the context of the L1 model not working in the Champ.

I think he’s a bit lacking in communication skills but I’m sure that he doesn’t crave relegation as suggested.
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Fucking hell nobody said they want relegation. the championship is a step too far for them. The Costs involved give them headaches.

they don’t give a shit what league we’re in as long as the costs are down

they operate a model which is easier in league one/two - The championship requires a lot more investment - that they’re not willing to provide.
 

The Philosopher

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  • Nov 6, 2022
  • #10,395
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They want PL money on a league two budget.
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Of course:

Name one club owner that wouldn’t?

It’s like saying who wouldn’t want a brand new car for a tenner?

The point?
 
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