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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 29, 2022
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Bit behind with developments. Where did the £150k come from and what’s it due to get us ? Home games until World Cup ?
 

duffer

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,057
Three possibilities here that I can see:

ACL enter another NOI. That means they keep trading, we play on Tuesday as normal. Seems unlikely if it's true that we're already having to pay to play today.

No NOI leads to the remaining two paths:

Administration: Potential buyer surely has to fund to keep the business going, we play as usual.

Liquidation: I can only see this happening if there genuinely are no buyers for the lease. In which case reversion to the council happens. If this happens I'd guess there will be massive pressure on the council to get the doors open again for all of the businesses that want to continue trading at the Arena, and are willing to pay to do so, including us. I can't see how even liquidation ends up with us out of the CBS in the long term, but maybe a few weeks to resolve?
 
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theferret

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,058
CCFCSteve said:
Bit behind with developments. Where did the £150k come from and what’s it due to get us ? Home games until World Cup ?
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The 150K was just for today's game (so it has been said), but these seem to be rumours. Gilbert said 'a substantial amount' but hasn't confirmed exactly how much, but refused to deny it when somebody mentioned the 150K figure.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,059
duffer said:
Three possibilities here that I can see:

ACL enter another NOI. That means they keep trading, we play on Tuesday as normal. Seems unlikely if it's true that we're already having to pay to play today.

No NOI leads to the remaining two paths:

Administration: Potential buyer surely has to fund to keep the business going, we play as usual.

Liquidation: I can only see this happening if there genuinely are no buyers for the lease. In which case reversion to the council happens. If this happens I'd guess there will be massive pressure on the council to get the doors open again for all of the businesses that want to continue trading at the Arena, and are willing to pay to do so, including us. I can't see how even liquidation ends up with us out of the CBS in the long term, but maybe a few weeks to resolve?
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Liquidation is the best option as it removes the lease from bondholder claims - administrators would struggle to find finances for matches to continue and potential buyers wouldn’t be funding - why would they?
 

Mcbean

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,060
Hopefully there would be decent walk up today providing some extra cash for the pot !
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,061
Nick said:
How long realistically should / could the club fund ACL again? I am not sure it would be enough to keep ACL from going into Administration.

Does the money class as a loan, pre payment etc?
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It’s worrying because ACL could drag this out all season in theory while waiting for a mystical buyer who wants to take on all the debts. UNLESS there is something agreed already behind the scenes.

I’ve no background knowledge in all this stuff so purely speculation.
 

mmttww

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,062
Grendel said:
We should be telling the clueless CEO and dumbass owners to fuck off once and for all
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No, Ta! I'll go support the team. If you think any kind of protest from us is going to make them go anywhere after every move they've pulled up to this point, you're a lot less smart then you make yourself look.
 
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MusicDating

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,063
Grendel said:
Liquidation is the best option as it removes the lease from bondholder claims - administrators would struggle to find finances for matches to continue and potential buyers wouldn’t be funding - why would they?
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How did Derby get funded for a year in admin?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,064
robbiekeane said:
Obviously not going to happen whatever the plan is. Would be a bit of a naive move commercially.

To be clear I can’t wait for SISU to fuck off for a million reasons but not shouting from the rooftops about if they’re planning to buy the stadium or not is not one of them
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Then you don’t get to complain or mock when people are trying to work out the plan or unhappy with how it’s going so far.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,065
theferret said:
The 150K was just for today's game (so it has been said), but these seem to be rumours. Gilbert said 'a substantial amount' but hasn't confirmed exactly how much, but refused to deny it when somebody mentioned the 150K figure.
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Thanks. I just can’t see that figure being for one game. If that amount was paid there must be more to it ie maybe the club owed a proportion of it already. Who knows though.
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,066
djr8369 said:
It’s worrying because ACL could drag this out all season in theory while waiting for a mystical buyer who wants to take on all the debts. UNLESS there is something agreed already behind the scenes.

I’ve no background knowledge in all this stuff so purely speculation.
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In fairness mate, I'm not sure anyone really knows what's going on, at least you're honest about it!

If ACL are already begging for money, then I can't see how they can drag out an administration process, or apply for another NOI. If we're already having to pay extra to play, they must already be insolvent.

The only way I see ACL keep going is if a potential buyer funds them once they enter administration. No buyer means liquidation I guess.

The one thing I don't see is it dragging out indefinitely, but that is just my opinion rather than fact.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,067
MusicDating said:
How did Derby get funded for a year in admin?
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Would there be a difference if the bondholders had taken action and put their practicioner in .
I suspect so.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,068

There's certainly a lot of people trying to stir it up to get angry at the club.

Still, detracts from wasps confirmed as relegated.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,069
Grendel said:
Liquidation is the best option as it removes the lease from bondholder claims - administrators would struggle to find finances for matches to continue and potential buyers wouldn’t be funding - why would they?
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Liquidation does not remove any rights from Fixed Charge Holders.

The right to sell moves from the Company to the Charge Holder or Liquidator but the actual Charge is unmoved
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,070
oldfiver said:
Liquidation does not remove any rights from Fixed Charge Holders.

The right to sell moves from the Company to the Charge Holder or Liquidator but the actual Charge is unmoved
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what will the bond holders actually be able to claim against though? Doesn’t it mean in that instance CCC will be as freeholders able to sell a lease to a new buyer with no constraint regarding debt to the bond Holder - I assume even if it goes into administration it would be wasps preferred administrator would it not?
 

baldy

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,071
Nick said:

There's certainly a lot of people trying to stir it up to get angry at the club.

Still, detracts from wasps confirmed as relegated.
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He doesn’t even know the difference between ‘their’ & ‘they’re’
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,072
shmmeee said:
Then you don’t get to complain or mock when people are trying to work out the plan or unhappy with how it’s going so far.
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I mean I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but it's obvious that potential buyers are not going to be showing their hands
 

Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,073
Evo1883 said:
I mean I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but it's obvious that potential buyers are not going to be showing their hands
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Why hasn't Mike Ashley sat down with Andy turner and detailed everything?
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,074
Evo1883 said:
I mean I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but it's obvious that potential buyers are not going to be showing their hands
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it makes no difference in the end. Logically you would assume Sisu will make some sort of bid to purchase anyway as a sitting tenant who’ve claimed they will have up to £60 million of funding for a new stadium purchase

it’s beyond credence they won’t make a bid of sorts
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,075
Grendel said:
it makes no difference in the end. Logically you would assume Sisu will make some sort of bid to purchase anyway as a sitting tenant who’ve claimed they will have up to £60 million of funding for a new stadium purchase

it’s beyond credence they won’t make a bid of sorts
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Between two hedge funds.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,076
Nick said:
Why hasn't Mike Ashley sat down with Andy turner and detailed everything?
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Ashley isn’t exactly publicity shy and it was stated he was given access to ACL finances and he stated he’s refinance bonds as an intent to purchase pre administration
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,077
baldy said:
He doesn’t even know the difference between ‘their’ & ‘they’re’
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And what’s a hone when it’s at home.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,078
Grendel said:
Ashley isn’t exactly publicity shy and it was stated he was given access to ACL finances and he stated he’s refinance bonds as an intent to purchase pre administration
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Where has he said this?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,079
Grendel said:
what will the bond holders actually be able to claim against though? Doesn’t it mean in that instance CCC will be as freeholders able to sell a lease to a new buyer with no constraint regarding debt to the bond Holder - I assume even if it goes into administration it would be wasps preferred administrator would it not?
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The value of their security is another issue ( and a risk they took on ) they still have a charge and right to sell in priority
Liquidation also passes ownership of the Asset from ACL to them / Liquidator
If CCC took any action that affects the value or rights of that lease there are potential remedies
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,080
Grendel said:
it makes no difference in the end. Logically you would assume Sisu will make some sort of bid to purchase anyway as a sitting tenant who’ve claimed they will have up to £60 million of funding for a new stadium purchase

it’s beyond credence they won’t make a bid of sorts
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Just waiting to see if they can get it minus all or most of the debt
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,081
Nick said:
Where has he said this?
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Ashley hasn’t denied it

Ex-Newcastle owner Mike Ashley held talks with Wasps about takeover

Former Newcastle owner Mike Ashley has held talks with Wasps about a potential takeover as the debt-ridden club battle for their survival. Ashley is understood to have signed a Head of Terms.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,082
Grendel said:
Ashley isn’t exactly publicity shy and it was stated he was given access to ACL finances and he stated he’s refinance bonds as an intent to purchase pre administration
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HOT's?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,083
Grendel said:
Ashley hasn’t denied it

Ex-Newcastle owner Mike Ashley held talks with Wasps about takeover

Former Newcastle owner Mike Ashley has held talks with Wasps about a potential takeover as the debt-ridden club battle for their survival. Ashley is understood to have signed a Head of Terms.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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Sisu haven't denied anything.

It's not the same thing


Where did he say it?
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,084
Struggling to see how a few across social media think we should suddenly have a bumper crowd today.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,085
Evo1883 said:
I mean I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but it's obvious that potential buyers are not going to be showing their hands
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The issue isn’t the secrecy, it’s sending members onto here to attack anyone who has questions.
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,086
TomRad85 said:
Yes I've no idea what everyone expected to have happened by now or why yesterday was meltdown day.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
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Yes!
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,087
I can accept the previous anger in regards to the owners not buying the arena when they should have .

Let's also not forget the dodgy council , who have their hands in many dodgy pies already .

We've never owned the stadium .

To be angry at our owners because wasps and ACL are going bust is a new strange tbh
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,088
shmmeee said:
The issue isn’t the secrecy, it’s sending members onto here to attack anyone who has questions.
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,089
Nick said:
Why hasn't Mike Ashley sat down with Andy turner and detailed everything?
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Missed the posters who are mates with Ashley coming on here and exclusively attacking people who questioned him.

Is it Philosoraptor?
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2022
  • #6,090
It's almost like ACL has been passed back in to Council hands, but no one wants to say it.
 
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