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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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Flying Fokker

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,706
Cityandproud87 said:
Tranmere were deducted 2 points for failing to fulfil a fixture. I think we’ll lose 3 points potentially 6. Will be an incredible achievement to stay up really
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It hasn’t happened yet! The sun is shining over the CBS.
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,707
Saddlebrains said:
Almost as sad as having a crush on Conor McGregor

Stolen anymore of other peoples belongings from hotels recently?
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Who is conor McGregor?
 

Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,708
SHUNT31 said:
No you didn’t. You said it was the clubs fault.

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Now show it in context
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,709
oldfiver said:
So what happened to it?
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i don’t get your point. As with wasps owners the blame stops with owners and directors

We have been owned for 15 years by an organisation that adopts short termIsm strategies and shows no interest in developing a long term secure base. Wasps and Sisu actually are the same in that they treat their supporter base like idiots with foolish clearly false statements and have no plan when the inevitable happens
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,710
Colin Steins Smile said:
From my understanding of the current scenario, we have a situation whereby the stadium could be shut down whilst a new buyer is sought and matches, exhibitions and other events are stopped. The problems are related to the processes involved with liquidation, in that the governance structures connected to ACL become void. This includes operating licences, etc.
The value of football, events, etc to the economy of the City of Coventry [in it's widest sense] is significant. Each hotel room booked at the CBS and other hotels in the city, plus the secondary spend in restaurants, shops, pubs, etc is of value to our businesses.
We need some pragmatism to break out within this process and surely CCC even in their most vindictive mode can see there is value in providing a month worth of funding to keep the CBS operating whilst a new buyer is sought.
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If, as is being suggested by some, there is no interest in ACL and it is to be liquidated the lease will revert to the council won't it? So unless they're planning to close the place permanently / knock it down then either they're going to continue to run it themselves or attempt to sell the lease again.

In either of those scenarios surely a better option to have the place open and trading, not exactly a good advertisement for the place if things are being cancelled and us being unable to play and deducted points would be bound to generate a lot of negative press around the stadium.

They can hardly claim there's no money given they seem to have a permanently open cheque book for the likes of Coombe and Tom White.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,711
chiefdave said:
As they aren't in admin shouldn't they be running as normal? Bit of a pisstake to turn round and say your event isn't going ahead unless you give us more money. Have they done the same to other events there this weekend, the casino, hotel etc?
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Exactly, it's like 2012 again when ACL basically wants CCFC to fund them.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,712
jordan210 said:
On wasps holdings Companies house it shows

Second filing for the termination of Nicholas John Eastwood as a director

Second filing for the termination of Robert William Gray as a director

Both also show

Termination of appointment of Nicholas John Eastwood as a director on 12 October 2022
Termination of appointment of Robert William Gray as a director on 12 October 2022

But oddly on main pages shows both resigned in August. But no filing history for that
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Directors sometimes backdate their resignation in order to protect themselves from any legal consequences from breach of fiduciary duty and such. If they have been taking salaries / divs despite knowing the business was totally f—-Ed etc.

The probable reality is that they stepped back on the filing date.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,713
Grendel said:
i don’t get your point. As with wasps owners the blame stops with owners and directors

We have been owned for 15 years by an organisation that adopts short termIsm strategies and shows no interest in developing a long term secure base. Wasps and Sisu actually are the same in that they treat their supporter base like idiots with foolish clearly false statements and have no plan when the inevitable happens
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So how does that answer the point there are still 8 years left on the lease?
 

SHUNT31

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,714
Cityandproud87 said:
Now show it in context
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You literally said ‘absolutely the clubs fault’.

That implies you put the blame solely at the clubs door.

You, 100% are Toughy from Twitter!


Still sore that your beloved Wasps have gone bust. Hid your tweets from non-followers so you can spout your anti sisu agenda without being criticised and then come on here under a generic name


Class A
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,715
Sod the £150k the clubs level fees will be going though the roof atm
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,716
The Philosopher said:
Directors sometimes backdate their resignation in order to protect themselves from any legal consequences from breach of fiduciary duty and such. If they have been taking salaries / divs despite knowing the business was totally f—-Ed etc.

The probable reality is that they stepped back on the filing date.
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They can say what date they like but if still acting as though Directors they are deemed to still be - in a Shadow Capacity
 

Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,717
SHUNT31 said:
You literally said ‘absolutely the clubs fault’.

That implies you put the blame solely at the clubs door.

You, 100% are Toughy from Twitter!


Still sore that your beloved Wasps have gone bust. Hid your tweets from non-followers so you can spout your anti sisu agenda without being criticised and then come on here under a generic name


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The clubs fault we don’t have our own ground you muppet.

You’ve lost the plot mate I hate wasps as you can see with my post history. As you never leave this thread you probably haven’t noticed.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,718
oldfiver said:
So how does that answer the point there are still 8 years left on the lease?
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EFL rules require 10 year security. At some point you are going to have to accept directorial accountability applies both ways. If as seems possible we are not going to play in the immediate future at home that responsibility is purely down to our owners who’ve played fast and loose for 15 years and done nothing to provide a secure base. Renting of an insolvent business which has clearly had problems is just a short term solution to a long term problem which the clubs owners have never addressed
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,719
chiefdave said:
As they aren't in admin shouldn't they be running as normal? Bit of a pisstake to turn round and say your event isn't going ahead unless you give us more money. Have they done the same to other events there this weekend, the casino, hotel etc?
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Pre administration oftentimes a bank or whoever who holds a debentures will appoint a “consultant” that acts a pre-administrator. Essentially they usurp the directors and control them on behalf of the debenture holder. They charge administrative rates ie north of £500/h. As I said, a racket.

I don’t know who has a debenture over ACL (might be a bank) but my shout is that it will be them calling the shots.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,720
SHUNT31 said:
You literally said ‘absolutely the clubs fault’.

That implies you put the blame solely at the clubs door.

You, 100% are Toughy from Twitter!


Still sore that your beloved Wasps have gone bust. Hid your tweets from non-followers so you can spout your anti sisu agenda without being criticised and then come on here under a generic name


Class A
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The football club is responsible for ensuring games are played
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,721
How long realistically should / could the club fund ACL again? I am not sure it would be enough to keep ACL from going into Administration.

Does the money class as a loan, pre payment etc?
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,722
Grendel said:
The football club is responsible for ensuring games are played
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Hes not the brightest, he thinks I’ve just signed up today
 

Nick

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,723
Grendel said:
The football club is responsible for ensuring games are played
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Pretty sure there will be a plan B.

Whether fans are there and which stadium is a different story.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,724
Grendel said:
The football club is responsible for ensuring games are played
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Signed a ten year lease for that to happen.

Matters out of are control have and threaten to disrupt that. Not a lot we could have done under the circumstances.

If we are fronting money to ACL for the game to go ahead then what more do you want us to do?
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,725
Nick said:
How long realistically should / could the club fund ACL again? I am not sure it would be enough to keep ACL from going into Administration.

Does the money class as a loan, pre payment etc?
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Id have thought not - doubt we will get it back
 

Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,726
SHUNT31 said:
What relevance is that? I go to 75% of games which is pretty good considering I live in Norfolk.
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I go to every game home and away. I’m afraid that makes my opinion far more valid than yours.

Bit weird that you and the other sisu lover @Liquid Gold don’t live in Coventry. Says it all.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,727
SHUNT31 said:
Signed a ten year lease for that to happen.

Matters out of are control have and threaten to disrupt that. Not a lot we could have done under the circumstances.

If we are fronting money to ACL for the game to go ahead then what more do you want us to do?
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Establish a secure business model so this never happened in the first place rather than come up with pretend nonsense about building a stadium
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,728
SHUNT31 said:
Signed a ten year lease for that to happen.

Matters out of are control have and threaten to disrupt that. Not a lot we could have done under the circumstances.

If we are fronting money to ACL for the game to go ahead then what more do you want us to do?
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You’re making your motive on this forum so obvious. Even Tony comments on football more than you.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,729
Cityandproud87 said:
Hes not the brightest, he thinks I’ve just signed up today
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The irony
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,730
Nick said:
How long realistically should / could the club fund ACL again? I am not sure it would be enough to keep ACL from going into Administration.

Does the money class as a loan, pre payment etc?
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Was a debenture last time , haven't heard anything similar this time?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,731
Grendel said:
Id have thought not - doubt we will get it back
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Exactly, how long can the club afford to chuck £150k per game?

Although Duggins was saying he wanted whoever was taking over to fund in the short term, however I am not sure why SISU would fund to keep them out of admin but be waiting for them to go into admin.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,732
Cityandproud87 said:
You’re making your motive on this forum so obvious. Even Tony comments on football more than you.
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You’re clearly a troll.

I want CCFC to succeed and have ownership of the arena.

I’m just not ignorant like most that can’t see past SISU this and SISU that.
 

Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,733
SHUNT31 said:
You’re clearly a troll.

I want CCFC to succeed and have ownership of the arena.

I’m just not ignorant like most that can’t see past SISU this and SISU that.
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Your PR overdrive isn’t working. People can see through it
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,734
Can we opt for Kingpower this time please.
No conflict of fixture's?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,735
Lets for a minute assume that when we signed that 10 year lease and announced the UoW stadium plan that the club was serious. Imagine that work started immediately, it wouldn't be open now so how would we be any better off? Its a complete red herring in this situation.

We have a 10 year lease, which you have to assume was agreed as acceptable by the EFL, and with many years remaining there's now the possibility we won't be able to play games. Don't really see how you can put the blame for that on the club.

You can of course argue that there's zero chance of a new stadium, and I doubt many would challenge that, you can argue that a lease longer than 10 years is needed but even if we had a 100 year lease what would be different today?
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,736
The Philosopher said:
Pre administration oftentimes a bank or whoever who holds a debentures will appoint a “consultant” that acts a pre-administrator. Essentially they usurp the directors and control them on behalf of the debenture holder. They charge administrative rates ie north of £500/h. As I said, a racket.

I don’t know who has a debenture over ACL (might be a bank) but my shout is that it will be them calling the shots.
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Just checked, “US Bank Trustees Ltd.” have a first charge over the ACL Arena (don’t know the full details) Compass a second (later) charge.

USBTL used to be known as Bank of America Trustees.

I’m reaching here but I’m guessing they are pulling ropes here.
 

SHUNT31

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,737
Cityandproud87 said:
Your PR overdrive isn’t working. People can see through it
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I would say you’re probably in the minority to be fair.
 
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SkyB

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,738
Often if a party intends to take over a business they will fund it to keep running through the administration process so they can still fulfill the orders/services the business provides.

If it does come out that CCFC/Sisu has agreed to fund the rest of the games up to the world cup, with ACL in admin, I think we can be pretty sure there not doing it for a net-zero gain. I'd guess they'd of had some encouragement on the stadium.
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,739
SHUNT31 said:
I would say you’re probably in the minority to be fair.
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Yes clearly as I’m from Coventry and attend every game, unlike your sisu squad
 

Nick

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,740
chiefdave said:
You can of course argue that there's zero chance of a new stadium, and I doubt many would challenge that, you can argue that a lease longer than 10 years is needed but even if we had a 100 year lease what would be different today?
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Absolutely nothing.
 
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