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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (13 Viewers)

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theferret

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,601
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Well then, maybe SISU should have built the stadium they’ve been pretending is going to get built for nearly 10 years.

I’m looking at it from the viewpoint of the EFL and the other 23 clubs in the league who aren’t going to have the same Sky Blue tinted lens we do. From the outside looking in you can easily argue that the club is liable to find a suitable place to play, and if we’ve failed to do so, and are unable to fulfil fixtures, then we can expect to face the punishments laid out by the league for doing so. Of course it’s not our fault that Wasps are going bust and taking the arena with them, but that doesn’t mean that we won’t get punished for it if we continuously can’t play games.
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Eh? We signed a 10 year lease. There are many clubs operating in the EFL who own neither own the freehold or the head lease of the stadium they play in. Should they all be building a stadium on the side just in case?

Even if SISU had properly started the process of planning a new ground 3 years ago, it would still be nowhere near ready.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,602
If money is changing hands to get the game on could that indicate it's coming from the eventual purchaser as part of what's accepted in the overall deal?
Not withstanding a chicanery move by Richardson?
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,603
Robins is going to Cardiff, O’Hare has broke his leg, Viktor is on his way upto Leeds for talks and we’re never going to play at The CBS again

everyone panic
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,604
If we payed to get the game on. I assume we will never see that money back as just become another creditor
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,605
oldskyblue58 said:
Having dealt recently with some administrators for clients I do know that for them to conduct the administration they require a large payment upfront to do anything. Is that what the notice to bondholders is really about not marketing?

It won't be a small sum either. The one I dealt with recently charged £100 per hour for a clerical assistant to file papers! Partners time north of £500 ph

I think that none of the interested parties want to see the doors shut Monday ( ccfc, ccc, acl, delaware etc) and are working together but perhaps the problem is who is prepared or able to pay the administration costs ?
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Allegedly there is an interested party who will fund Admin costs!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,606
Brylowes said:
Possibly in the short term, but although I don’t fully understand all the workings and potential scenarios of the impending administration etc, in my mind (and I might be miles out here ) our clubs future prospects look rosier today than any day I can remember for a very long time.
We had no realistic route out of the sorry dysfunctional situation ‘all involved parties had contrived to put us in, BUT!! Now we do, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel now and potentially an exiting future for the club and fans.
Let‘s just hope all parties involved have learned from their many mistakes, are willing to work closely together in a concerted effort to finally reach the conclusion that was always the intention from day 1, club and stadium singing from the same hymn sheet.
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In the relegation zone, depleted tiny squad, uncertainty over whether fixtures can even be played.

You’re right it’s all ocean ahead of us
 
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hill83

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,607
oldfiver said:
Allegedly there is an interested party who will fund Admin costs!
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And I’m back in. Cracking nightshift last night as well tbf. Did fuck all.
 
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hill83

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,608
oldfiver said:
Allegedly there is an interested party who will fund Admin costs!
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Where are you hearing this from?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,609
jordan210 said:
If we payed to get the game on. I assume we will never see that money back as just become another creditor
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CCFC we demanded to pay £50k by mid afternoon on Tuesday or gates would be closed

Yesterday ACL demanded £150k for tomorrow's game. Then told they could not play the Tuesday game

It looks like CCFC paid the ACL payroll and thus kept it going
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,610
hill83 said:
Where are you hearing this from?
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Get Duggins or Reeves to confirm/ deny
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,611
jordan210 said:
If we payed to get the game on. I assume we will never see that money back as just become another creditor
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Hopefully its just a case of paying for stewards etc, costs that would normally be passed on to us, and not much more on top of that. We simply don't have the money, or the owners, to cover keep making extra payments to play games.
 

Calista

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,612
Brylowes said:
potentially an exiting future for the club
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Not really what we were hoping to hear
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,613
oldfiver said:
CCFC we demanded to pay £50k by mid afternoon on Tuesday or gates would be closed

Yesterday ACL demanded £150k for tomorrow's game. Then told they could not play the Tuesday game

It looks like CCFC paid the ACL payroll and thus kept it going
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So I guess we will never see that back.

What a ridiculous situation
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,614
hill83 said:
Where are you hearing this from?
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Saddlebrains
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,615
clint van damme said:
Saddlebrains
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Ive heard sisu plan to reveal Billy Gilmour on the pitch after they buy the ground
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,616
Cityandproud87 said:
Ive heard sisu plan to reveal Billy Gilmour on the pitch after they buy the ground
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More likely to be Happy Gilmour
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,617
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Wigan were docked points when their owners suddenly decided they didn’t want to fund the club any more. The EFL don’t really care whether the club is at fault or not, if we continuously can’t fulfil our fixtures I think we’ll probably get a points deduction.
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That's completely different?
 

Brylowes

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,618
Calista said:
Not really what we were hoping to hear
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TBF mate, I posted that before catching up on the thread and reading Gilbert’s update
having said that, something had to give at some point.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,619
What are the options on Monday. Presumably a further NOI is out of the equation so are we looking at a simple choice between admin & ACL continuing to operating while a buyer is found or immediate liquidation?

If its liquidation doesn't that then revert everything back to the council who would then have to pretty swiftly pick up the ACL staff & costs to keep things running or shut the doors to all businesses and events not just us? Short term funding from the council for that seems a very different proposition to handing money over to Wasps.

And what are the timeframes for the potential scenarios. After Saturday we've only got 3 home games to get through before the WC break. Is it realistic to expect this to be sorted by the time the season resumes.
 
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edgy

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,620
oldfiver said:
CCFC we demanded to pay £50k by mid afternoon on Tuesday or gates would be closed

Yesterday ACL demanded £150k for tomorrow's game. Then told they could not play the Tuesday game

It looks like CCFC paid the ACL payroll and thus kept it going
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Hold on. Who's demanding these sums?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,621
SeaSeeEffCee said:
You could argue it is within our hands though. We’ve made the decision to rent a stadium as opposed to owning one, I’m sure other clubs in the league will see us as liable if we’re unable to fulfil fixtures and they’ll be the ones complaining to the league.
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It really isn't
are you writing letters to the EFL to get a points deduction too?
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,622
clint van damme said:
More likely to be Happy Gilmour
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Transfer Shouts

If that’s the case then I’d happily take him. Seen enough in that season in league 1 to say he could do it for us in this league as a back up. As you can see he’s on the bench or just not in the squad...
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,623
Brylowes said:
having said that, something had to give at some point.
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Our sanity
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,624
oldfiver said:
Allegedly there is an interested party who will fund Admin costs!
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Is the interested party interested in the CBS, CCFC or both ?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,625
A points deduction would be very harsh. This is completely out of our control. Sure there would come a point where the EFL are pushed too far but the WC break might come at a convenient time for us. Gives a few weeks to sort things out, even if its the worst case scenario of having to play games elsewhere or behind closed doors.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,626
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Wigan were docked points when their owners suddenly decided they didn’t want to fund the club any more. The EFL don’t really care whether the club is at fault or not, if we continuously can’t fulfil our fixtures I think we’ll probably get a points deduction.
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EFL have said play or lose 3 points plus penalty
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,627
Cityandproud87 said:
The fact a new stadium hasn’t and will never be built means we have nowhere to play. Sisu made their bed
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Ccfc didn’t and we didn’t
 

Brylowes

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,628
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In the relegation zone, depleted tiny squad, uncertainty over whether fixtures can even be played.

You’re right it’s all ocean ahead of us
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As I’ve just replied to Calista, I posted that before catching up on the thread and reading Gilber’s update.
Tho I still think our overall prospects are better now Wasps are gone than at any point when they were here..
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,629
chiefdave said:
Hopefully its just a case of paying for stewards etc, costs that would normally be passed on to us, and not much more on top of that. We simply don't have the money, or the owners, to cover keep making extra payments to play games.
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Always thought the figure was around £50K .
Breakdown of our original rental agreement.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,630
jordan210 said:
So I guess we will never see that back.

What a ridiculous situation
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Unless it comes off an eventual purchase?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,631
oldskyblue58 said:
Having dealt recently with some administrators for clients I do know that for them to conduct the administration they require a large payment upfront to do anything. Is that what the notice to bondholders is really about not marketing?

It won't be a small sum either. The one I dealt with recently charged £100 per hour for a clerical assistant to file papers! Partners time north of £500 ph

On that basis the acl group administration let alone the wasps group one is likely to be very numbers.

I think that none of the interested parties want to see the doors shut Monday ( ccfc, ccc, acl, delaware etc) and are working together but perhaps the problem is who is prepared or able to pay the administration costs ? Would they ever get that money back? Have they got the funds to do it ? How much control of the process would it give them ?
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It is an Martin and ccc seemingly think ccfc have lots of spare cash
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,632
I'm getting confused, who is actually in charge of ACL at the moment?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,633
Some of the comments on social media
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,634
wingy said:
Unless it comes off an eventual purchase?
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So if we buy ACL for £1 they will owe us £149999. Good business by the club.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 28, 2022
  • #5,635
Philosorapter said:
I'm getting confused, who is actually in charge of ACL at the moment?
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Wasps fella
 
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