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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (10 Viewers)

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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,901
Grendel said:
A problem I suspect
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But clubs go into admin and the stadiums still operates, wont the cost go on to the stadium sale
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,902
Gynnsthetonic said:
But clubs go into admin and the stadiums still operates, wont the cost go on to the stadium sale
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The stadium clearly has no money and now liquidation is being muted
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,903
Grendel said:
The stadium clearly has no money and now liquidation is being muted
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Which means the Council would get the lease back and would surely want it to keep running?
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,904
oldfiver said:
Ashley is not interested -
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Well thats us fucked then. Renting forever with SISU taking their fees. Surely there is some optimisum?

Terry Gibson's perm said:
If the trust had and skill or credibility amongst the fans they would already have been looking to get control of the arena but obviously they wouldn’t want to upset the London team that used to play there.
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Wasps asside, what are they playing at? Aren't they the go to guys for the media soundbite? Hardly a peep.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,905
RegTheDonk said:
Well thats us fucked then. Renting forever with SISU taking their fees. Surely there is some optimisum?


Wasps asside, what are they playing at? Aren't they the go to guys for the media soundbite? Hardly a peep.
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The woman from the trust was expressing her sadness at Wasps going bust.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,906
Nick said:
Which means the Council would get the lease back and would surely want it to keep running?
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Why would they?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,907
Grendel said:
Why would they?
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To get maximum value of selling the lease again for the tax payers etc etc?
 

duffer

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,908
RegTheDonk said:
Well thats us fucked then. Renting forever with SISU taking their fees. Surely there is some optimisum?


Wasps asside, what are they playing at? Aren't they the go to guys for the media soundbite? Hardly a peep.
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Personal opinion is that the Trust is perhaps too divisive to be involved, and probably too disorganised to get involved.

I can't see that it would take a massive initial effort to get the ball rolling on a fan led buy out of ACL. Whether people would really put their hands in their pockets, that's a different matter.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 25, 2022
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Nick said:
They also take on all of the debt then though?
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They don't necessarily, a creditor can still make an agreement to accept less outside of an administration process.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,910
Nick said:
To get maximum value of selling the lease again for the tax payers etc etc?
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It wouldn't make any difference. Its a logistical headache to fund the opening of it and there is no money coming into it as all our money is paid to us.

Who pays for the catering, staff, maintenance, policing, parking attendants, electricity for lighting, heating etc?
 
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shepardo01

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,911
Gilbert's observations...
 

Tommo1993

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,912
Trying to comprehend the ins and outs of administration.

 
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shepardo01

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,913
.....a take from "the rugby family"..
 
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Samo

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,914
duffer said:
Personal opinion is that the Trust is perhaps too divisive to be involved, and probably too disorganised to get involved.

I can't see that it would take a massive initial effort to get the ball rolling on a fan led buy out of ACL. Whether people would really put their hands in their pockets, that's a different matter.
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If there was a legal guarantee that I would get my money back if the sale didn't happen, or the required sum was not reached, I would definitely do it and I'd be very proud of it.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,915
Grendel said:
It wouldn't make any difference. Its a logistical headache to fund the opening of it and there is no money coming into it as all our money is paid to us.

Who pays for the catering, staff, maintenance, policing, parking attendants, electricity for lighting, heating etc?
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Ah yeah, guess all the existing contracts would vanish too for catering etc.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,916
Waiting for the “it was SISU” line…

m that being said - do we think Sepalla will finally get the arena unencumbered
 

Nick

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,917
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Waiting for the “it was SISU” line…

m that being said - do we think Sepalla will finally get the arena unencumbered
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I still think Richardson will have some sort of play.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,918
Nick said:
I still think Richardson will have some sort of play.
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Does he have the appetite to sink 20m into repairs?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,919
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Does he have the appetite to sink 20m into repairs?
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Probably not himself but maybe some sort of grant.

He just seems a bit too quiet, plus why did he add himself as a director recently?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,920
Nick said:
Probably not himself but maybe some sort of grant.

He just seems a bit too quiet, plus why did he add himself as a director recently?
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Fair point, I just don’t see how he’d get away with it.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,921
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Fair point, I just don’t see how he’d get away with it.
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Oh yeah there is that, just nothing surprises me with this shite any more.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,922
Nick said:
Oh yeah there is that, just nothing surprises me with this shite any more.
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Yeah, I’m always looking at how we’ll somehow be screwed
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,923
Up next we will have Wasps fans trying to blame the bond holders.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,924
Which company are the sponsorship deals tied up in?
 

Bernie Rhodes Nose

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,925
AOM said:
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Monorail!!! Monorail!!! Monorail!!!
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,926
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Does he have the appetite to sink 20m into repairs?
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Just on this £20m figure, I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there any evidence anywhere of this being a real issue?

I've only ever heard it here as a rumour, I've never seen anything vaguely official stating it. Happy to be corrected, obviously.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,927
I guess having renaming rights for Arena, stands, rooms etc could become quite profitable.

Imagine the Coventry Building Society Arena being liquidated. It's a PR nightmare.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,928
Philosorapter said:
I guess having renaming rights for Arena, stands, rooms etc could become quite profitable.

Imagine the Coventry Building Society Arena being liquidated. It's a PR nightmare.
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It would depend on the agreement for naming rights.

If it was with ACL then potentially the agreement is gone if it goes into admin?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,929
Of course, CCC have said their main concern is for CCFC to keep playing at the Arena. If the Arena is threatened with a close-down, then they surely have to take control of the lease. Unless they're full of shit.
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,930
Why has Richardson been so quiet on it all, he hasn't said a thing since the rugby club went into admin
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,931
Nick said:
Which means the Council would get the lease back and would surely want it to keep running?
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I don't think it is as straight forward as that, but even if it could happen it'd take some time. A liquidation process takes a long time.
 

duffer

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,932
Samo said:
If there was a legal guarantee that I would get my money back if the sale didn't happen, or the required sum was not reached, I would definitely do it and I'd be very proud of it.
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Yep, top of my head you'd perhaps want a CIC (Community Interest Company) set-up so any assets purchased are "locked-in" and an escrow account to protect deposits.

You can tell I've been thinking about it...
 
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,933
duffer said:
Just on this £20m figure, I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there any evidence anywhere of this being a real issue?

I've only ever heard it here as a rumour, I've never seen anything vaguely official stating it. Happy to be corrected, obviously.
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I find £20m hard to believe. Sure it needs a bit of love and it's grubby as fuck... but £20m seems a lot.

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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,934
Would the repairs needed show in Administrators reports or anything that are made public?
 
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rexo87

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  • Oct 25, 2022
  • #4,935
duffer said:
Yep, top of my head you'd perhaps want a CIC (Community Interest Company) set-up so any assets purchased are "locked-in" and an escrow account to protect deposits.

You can tell I've been thinking about it...
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Get it going Duffer!

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