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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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jordan210

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,746
One thing that is odd is still no confirmation of admin on public records
 

SHUNT31

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,747
Are we still using the away changing rooms or do we share now?


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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,748
Sky Blue Pete said:
That would be funny us all wearing black armbands tomorrow evening
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What would be funny is if we quietly rearrange the seats that spell out Wasps in the stands while the game is going on so when everyone leaves it no longer says Wasps.
 
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SuperFred

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,749
Is it better for us if ACL go into administration as well?
 

slowpoke

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,750
A lot of what is happening and has happened re Wasps was put to me weeks ago by a so called itk. Took at the time with a pinch of salt but looks to be correct, I’m now interested in the sisu angle and looking forward to a happy xmas.
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,751
SuperFred said:
Is it better for us if ACL go into administration as well?
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My understanding is that if ACL go into admin, council revoke the lease and re-sell. Not sure if the proceeds would then go to bondholders or not.

I would like to think that could benefit us as surely the council would favour the football club…… oh wait.


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Terry_dactyl

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,752
I feel like I should’ve taken a couple of days off, sat in a pub with my phone and a pint, and just switched between Twitter and here.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,753
SHUNT31 said:
I think if ACL go into admin the council will be forced to revoke the lease. If that happens, would the administrator be able to sell the lease? Not sure.


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Going in to Admin is CCC' s biggest nightmare so will wriggle in any direction to prevent it
 

SHUNT31

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,754
oldfiver said:
Going in to Admin is CCC' s biggest nightmare so will wriggle in any direction to prevent it
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I agree but there’s only so much they can do.

Not a penny in the bank of ACL apparently.


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oldfiver

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,755
SHUNT31 said:
I agree but there’s only so much they can do.

Not a penny in the bank of ACL apparently.


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Never has been has there?
 
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Skyblue_CP

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,756
slowpoke said:
A lot of what is happening and has happened re Wasps was put to me weeks ago by a so called itk. Took at the time with a pinch of salt but looks to be correct, I’m now interested in the sisu angle and looking forward to a happy xmas.
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And what didn’t you hear about SISU’s angle..?
 
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ccfc922

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,757
Grendel said:
Bobby Bridge from the heart:

The darkest day in Wasps' history.

Well, let us digest that statement.

We were expecting Wasps to go into administration, but the most shocking line is that 'joint Administrators were required to make 167 employees redundant, including all members of the playing squads and coaching staff'.

This was the worst-case scenario for fans of the club, and for those employed by Wasps.

They are now out of work. Everything that was built by head coach Lee Blackett and his group, is now in ruins.

Young men whose dreams of playing in black and gold, crushed.

Men and women who depend on the club to pay their bills, now without an income.

The vast majority of these employees live in the real world financially. Modest incomes without great pools of reserves. This isn't football, the rewards in rugby are far, far smaller.

As the statement says, it's a dark day. The darkest in Wasps' history.

And the biggest tragedy of all. I will have to pay for a Rugby Shirt from now on
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That last sentence sums up their business model anyway.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,758
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think Seppala is locked in a drinking contest with Ashley in the Tavern. First one to chunder into a fireplace loses
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Ah that's why the chopper's been idle for six days.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,759
jordan210 said:
One thing that is odd is still no confirmation of admin on public records
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Your belief in the efficiency of government admin is admirable.
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,760
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Arena Coventry Limited (ACL) is not included in the administration of Wasps Holdings Limited which was announced today, and has filed a notice of intention to appoint administrators, a move which will give two weeks to be able to secure new owners for the venue.


A spokesperson for ACL said: “The arena is a profitable standalone business with huge potential and therefore is attracting strong interest from a number of parties. We have filed a notice of intention to appoint administrators and we will be aiming to use this period to complete a deal with a venue operator.


“It would also allow the arena to continue to generate funds through the exhibition, conference and hotel business and would also mean the Rugby League World Cup game and Coventry City fixtures will go ahead as planned, which, we believe, is in everyone’s interest.“

The arena is very much a key economic driver for the region and we are hopeful that we can conclude a deal to ensure its future. Time is exceedingly tight and talks are continuing around the clock so we can reach a suitable deal.”"



This sounds very much like the same kind of statement as Wasps put out.

We just need a bit more time..... Also fails to mention they already had an NOI so this is a second one.

Also at one point it says two more weeks to secure owners and then in another sentence it says complete a deal for with a venue operator
 
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ccfcrob

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,761
Saddlebrains said:
I've never enjoyed twitter as much as i have the last couple of weeks

Like shooting fish in a barrel
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With a rocket launcher
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,762
SHUNT31 said:
I agree but there’s only so much they can do.

Not a penny in the bank of ACL apparently.


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Wasn’t it reported that they’ve reached their overdraft limit?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,763
jordan210 said:
One thing that is odd is still no confirmation of admin on public records
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There is legal process- you cannot just go online and tick a box
 
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steve cooper

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,764
If you own a leasehold home, in theory once the lease expires the property standing on the leasehold ground then belongs to the leaseholder. This doesn't usually happen in practice (if the lease is extended prior to expiry).

Buying or owning a leasehold home

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Depending on the terms of the lease, that may apply to the arena, in which case if CCC revoke the lease upon admin, then the administrator has nothing to sell, and the arena belongs to CCC. I am assuming that is correct.
 

Kneeza

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,765
skybluetony176 said:
What would be funny is if we quietly rearrange the seats that spell out Wasps in the stands while the game is going on so when everyone leaves it no longer says Wasps.
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Perhaps we should rearrange it to 'SWAPS' ?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,766
steve cooper said:
If you own a leasehold home, in theory once the lease expires the property standing on the leasehold ground then belongs to the leaseholder. This doesn't usually happen in practice (if the lease is extended prior to expiry).

Buying or owning a leasehold home

www.gov.uk
Depending on the terms of the lease, that may apply to the arena, in which case if CCC revoke the lease upon admin, then the administrator has nothing to sell, and the arena belongs to CCC. I am assuming that is correct.
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That's why they want a buyer who will take over the lease. So long as the new owner meets the criteria CCC will not have grounds to foreclose
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,767
Put an image on my personal FB yesterday and had a response about those poor Wasps employees. Was quite happy to put that person back in their place and they had no comeback...

 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,768
steve cooper said:
If you own a leasehold home, in theory once the lease expires the property standing on the leasehold ground then belongs to the leaseholder. This doesn't usually happen in practice (if the lease is extended prior to expiry).

Buying or owning a leasehold home

www.gov.uk
Depending on the terms of the lease, that may apply to the arena, in which case if CCC revoke the lease upon admin, then the administrator has nothing to sell, and the arena belongs to CCC. I am assuming that is correct.
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There is supposedly a forfeiture clause in the case of insolvency in the head lease. However, CCC would have to trigger that clause once the insolvency is known (and for ACL it isn‘t known yet). The bondholders, who hold a legal mortgage over the stadium, would have the right to challenge any forfeiture in court, as indicated in the bonds prospectus. Some of the bondholders point to legal precedent as suggesting they would win such a challenge.

There is also supposedly a clause giving the council the power of veto against prospective purchasers. I would be surprised if that couldn’t also be challenged by bondholders if the application of the veto would reduce the proceeds from the sale.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,769
Does our ccc have any input who can take over the CBS.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,770
Wasps and supporters have also been making a lot of noise about wanting / needing to retain the P share which the PRL have said they shouldn’t. The PRL would have to buy back the P share, the proceeds of which (?£9m - although Wasps valued it at £13m to minimise the scale of losses) would be available to repay the bondholder debt.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,771
slowpoke said:
Does our ccc have any input who can take over the CBS.
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See my post 3 minutes before yours
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,772
It's mad how little the Wasps fans seem to know.

Maybe it was before they got given a free flag?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,773
Nick said:
It's mad how little the Wasps fans seem to know.

Maybe it was before they got given a free flag?
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It’s also infuriating that this is the reason they don’t understand our anger towards thsm
 
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AOM

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,774
Skyblueweeman said:
Put an image on my personal FB yesterday and had a response about those poor Wasps employees. Was quite happy to put that person back in their place and they had no comeback...

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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,775
Nick said:
It's mad how little the Wasps fans seem to know.

Maybe it was before they got given a free flag?
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Nearly all of the few that followed wasps I knew didn’t know about the huge debt that they had around them.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,776
MalcSB said:
There is supposedly a forfeiture clause in the case of insolvency in the head lease. However, CCC would have to trigger that clause once the insolvency is known (and for ACL it isn‘t known yet). The bondholders, who hold a legal mortgage over the stadium, would have the right to challenge any forfeiture in court, as indicated in the bonds prospectus. Some of the bondholders point to legal precedent as suggesting they would win such a challenge.

There is also supposedly a clause giving the council the power of veto against prospective purchasers. I would be surprised if that couldn’t also be challenged by bondholders if the application of the veto would reduce the proceeds from the sale.
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CCC are not likely to object to the Bondholders taking over as they have simply moved a problem

The Bondholders then have to sell a stadium in a time of high interest rates and with their potential customers being squeezed
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,777
Only tonight's and Saturday's games cancelled so far???????? Still down to be playing on 30th October - be an interesting game with no players
 

tisza

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,778
oldfiver said:
£5M was in 2020. When quotes figures it is usually group results

Vaughan should be asked what was the net cash flow loss from Covid.

They received payroll reliefs plus a big receipt from PRL plus I suspect others
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Got curious so checked the 2019 accounts. There was 12.5m CVC cash and they revalued the P share upwards by 4.1m. otherwise they would have lost around 11m that year. So one off income of 16.6m hiding the fact that it was always a business still losing around 10m a year.
Or at 17 pound a ticket over 20 home games a they would have needed to sell an extra 29,411 tickets per game. So basically sellout crowds wouldn't have seen ACL into profit. All this before addressing outstanding loan debt.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,779
tisza said:
Got curious so checked the 2019 accounts. There was 12.5m CVC cash and they revalued the P share upwards by 4.1m. otherwise they would have lost around 11m that year. So one off income of 16.6m hiding the fact that it was always a business still losing around 10m a year.
Or at 17 pound a ticket over 20 home games a they would have needed to sell an extra 29,411 tickets per game. So basically sellout crowds wouldn't have seen ACL into profit. All this before addressing outstanding loan debt.
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B b b b but COVID
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 18, 2022
  • #3,780
What a twonk.
 
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