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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,606
skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Just reading Stephen Vaughan’s comments how they had some many talented people at Wasps. Shame none of them were any good at finance……. bit like Liz Truss and her friend
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I’ve heard they had Kwasi as an independent consultant to help them.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,607
Grendel said:
Vaughans lack of grip on reality is extraordinary
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Wasp very own Kwasi Kwateng
 

joemercersaces

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,608
jordan210 said:
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- HMRC called in the balance on their debt despite a payment plan that was being followed as agreed
- HSBC reneged on financing at the Eleventh Hour
- pre-covid the group had 6 months of breakeven months

"

So it was HMRC's, HSBC and coves fault not anyone at wasps


Wasps exclusive: 'We're all sad and angry, including me' - Stephen Vaughan

Group chief executive is among those who have been made redundant after Wasps entered into administration
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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How can he seriously claim to have broken even for 6 months (big deal anyway) when there was at least £35 million to pay back, which they didn’t have
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,609
All the bondholders still want their slice.

 

Grendel

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,610
still VV once a wasp - always trying to cash in on misfortune - always a wasp

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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,611
Heard they’re telling players to not sign for other clubs for the next 72 hours. Is that legal?
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,612
Somone should offer to buy his forum for a quid.

Weirdly worth more than his rugby club.
 

mr_monkey

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,613
Grendel said:
still VV once a wasp - always trying to cash in on misfortune - always a wasp

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What a horrible c**t
 

edgy

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,614
Tommo1993 said:
Heard they’re telling players to not sign for other clubs for the next 72 hours. Is that legal?
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Probably a hint to say there's a buyer lined up.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,615
edgy said:
Probably a hint to say there's a buyer lined up.
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unlikely and the contracts have been terminated
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,616
jordan210 said:
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- HMRC called in the balance on their debt despite a payment plan that was being followed as agreed
- HSBC reneged on financing at the Eleventh Hour
- pre-covid the group had 6 months of breakeven months

"

So it was HMRC's, HSBC and coves fault not anyone at wasps


Wasps exclusive: 'We're all sad and angry, including me' - Stephen Vaughan

Group chief executive is among those who have been made redundant after Wasps entered into administration
www.coventrytelegraph.net
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Paying HMRC 'something' every month is not quite the same as HMRC breaking an agreement. As discussed elsewhere this just doesn't happen.

Similarly, I have serious doubts about HSBC leading anyone 'up the garden path', it's much more likely they wanted evidence of something (a sustainable business plan perhaps), that Wasps couldn't provide.

There's a bit too much deflection here for my liking, and not enough responsibility. No one made Wasps gamble their future by taking out a £35m bond, and there were alternatives to moving to Coventry. If you want your creditors to trust you, earn it by being honest - look at all of the blagging the bondholders have endured.

Last but not least, why is it that Wasps don't own their own training ground, as was promised? It's awfully convenient that it's outside the reach of the administrator...
 
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edgy

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,617
Grendel said:
unlikely and the contracts have been terminated
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Seems unlikely but can't see any other rational explanation to them being told to hold fire for a few days. (If that's true)
 

duffer

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,618
Tommo1993 said:
Heard they’re telling players to not sign for other clubs for the next 72 hours. Is that legal?
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We'll they can probably say it, but the players can do what they want now regardless; they don't work for Wasps any more.
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,619
If there was a deal close, then it's surely too late now. If the players want to wait until next year to possibly play in the championship, then I guess that's up to them. The better ones won't though!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,620
Grendel said:
still VV once a wasp - always trying to cash in on misfortune - always a wasp

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He's a pervert

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,621
edgy said:
Seems unlikely but can't see any other rational explanation to them being told to hold fire for a few days. (If that's true)
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Im sure thoses highly paid players including Internationals are going to wait and see if they can play in the championship rather than getting paid and going a prem club
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,622
Am I to late to buy some wasps bonds?
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,623
CCFC54321 said:
Am I to late to buy some wasps bonds?
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No, do you have £35m to spare
 
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1ccfc

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,624
CCFC54321 said:
Am I to late to buy some wasps bonds?
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I would say so. That said, there's a stadium available.
 
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lordy_87

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,625
The wankers have finally gone !!!

This song comes to mind ...

Drop Dead / Celebration

 
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shepardo01

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,626
Gynnsthetonic said:
Well, ACL 2006 have 10 working days to find a buyer, if that doesn't happen and they go bump too what happens then?
Will Sisu show an interest, a big couple of weeks coming up especially with 3 home games on the trot coming up
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The council could give acl a "helping hand".
Would have happened already by all accounts if it hadn't have been leaked/opposed on social media and e.mails (See Gilbert's tweets tonight)... I'll see if I can paste below;
 
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Paxman II

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,627
I worry they are trying to get a deal with NEC for the arena. But surely a lease has to be reassigned and landlord consent required. So will the council provide that consent? It would be extraordinary to let the arean go to new ownership and CCFC still be it's tenant. Even the NEC would have sense to wait for admin in 10 days time to pick it off on the cheap? So too could SISU or any other interested party? The council as landlords should step in here as they have a clause do they not of nulifying the lease under the terms if admin is called in?
It seems the country is in a mess and everywhere else is in a mess and nobody knows what the hell to expect next. one thing for sure - this has to be the golden opportunity for CCFC to regain ownership of 'their' stadium. Will SISU or anyone else step up and grab a bargain?
 
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Frostie

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,628
skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Just reading Stephen Vaughan’s comments how they had some many talented people at Wasps. Shame none of them were any good at finance……. bit like Liz Truss and her friend
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"The debt was substantial, it's only got bigger."

As CEO of said company I'm not sure I'd be putting that on my CV.
 
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OldBedrocker

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,629
SHUNT31 said:
Should put PUSB there


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Bye Bye Wasps will fit too then
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,630
Fuck the Wasps,
Fuck SISU,
Fuck the Council and Kevin Maton too!
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,631
OldBedrocker said:
Bye Bye Wasps will fit too then
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As lovely as it would be to tear down their signs and rearrange the letters, their operating company is still going so for the short term at least, nothing will change in that regard.


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ccfc1234

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,632
Gynnsthetonic said:
Well, ACL 2006 have 10 working days to find a buyer, if that doesn't happen and they go bump too what happens then?
Will Sisu show an interest, a big couple of weeks coming up especially with 3 home games on the trot coming up
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The council will want a bidding war. SISU will not. They will play hard ball and I would not be shocked to see them do one of two things in private negotiations.

1. Make it clear to whoever wants to buy the stadium (if it's not them) that there will be no anchor tennent.
2. Tell the interested party if they want to buy the stadium and retain CCFC playing there they will need to buy into the club at an inflated figure.

SISU could sell the whole club but would want top dollar and I think they would rather a partnership as they like the rest of the bidders know the real money will be achieved when CCFC are a premiership club.

Very interesting times and SISU hold a lot if cards now.

Ann Lucas and her cronies cuddled up to wasps and sanctioned an infestation of the city's best sporting infrastructure. Those not in denial could see the project was just not going to work and we are virtually back to square one with the stadium situation!!

What is fruststing is that its the bond holders who were sold a dream that have lost most while the corporate cowboys behind the scenes swan off to another desk job.
 
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djr8369

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,633
What a time to be alive!

Bit concerning what happens with the operation of the steam during the admin process and beyond…but that’s tomorrows worry.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,634
Paxman II said:
I worry they are trying to get a deal with NEC for the arena. But surely a lease has to be reassigned and landlord consent required. So will the council provide that consent? It would be extraordinary to let the arean go to new ownership and CCFC still be it's tenant. Even the NEC would have sense to wait for admin in 10 days time to pick it off on the cheap? So too could SISU or any other interested party? The council as landlords should step in here as they have a clause do they not of nulifying the lease under the terms if admin is called in?
It seems the country is in a mess and everywhere else is in a mess and nobody knows what the hell to expect next. one thing for sure - this has to be the golden opportunity for CCFC to regain ownership of 'their' stadium. Will SISU or anyone else step up and grab a bargain?
Click to expand...

If something is pushed as a "bargain" in the property world - it probably isn't!
 
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Hobo

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,635
duffer said:
If there was a deal close, then it's surely too late now. If the players want to wait until next year to possibly play in the championship, then I guess that's up to them. The better ones won't though!
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With Wasps and Worcester going bump, cuts in Championship funding in recent years, Premiership Clubs at or near the salary cap - there is a lot of those 80 odd rugby players who have suddenly flooded onto the market with little choice but to wait and hope.
 
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tisza

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,636
Grendel said:
Vaughans lack of grip on reality is extraordinary
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he's got to try and justify his mismanagement somehow
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,637
Hobo said:
With Wasps and Worcester going bump, cuts in Championship funding in recent years, Premiership Clubs at or near the salary cap - there is a lot of those 80 odd rugby players who have suddenly flooded onto the market with little choice but to wait and hope.
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Or they go to leagues outside England
 

Sick Boy

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,638
shepardo01 said:
The council could give acl a "helping hand".
Would have happened already by all accounts if it hadn't have been leaked/opposed on social media and e.mails (See Gilbert's tweets tonight)... I'll see if I can paste below;
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Fair play to him.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,639
jordan210 said:
"
- HMRC called in the balance on their debt despite a payment plan that was being followed as agreed
- HSBC reneged on financing at the Eleventh Hour
- pre-covid the group had 6 months of breakeven months

"

So it was HMRC's, HSBC and coves fault not anyone at wasps


Wasps exclusive: 'We're all sad and angry, including me' - Stephen Vaughan

Group chief executive is among those who have been made redundant after Wasps entered into administration
www.coventrytelegraph.net
Click to expand...
No sorry
No responsibility
No acceptance of error
Shame really
 
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Hobo

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  • Oct 17, 2022
  • #3,640
tisza said:
he's got to try and justify his mismanagement somehow
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I am no Vaughan fan. But he has been their since August 2019. Wasps problems with losses and debt go back many many years. Look at some of the ones who brought them here and been on the board longer.
 
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