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Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (8 Viewers)

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Alkhen

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  • Sep 21, 2022
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So looks like the inveitable is happening to our landlords. Admin and relegation. cant say i'm sheding many tears but do feel bad for the original fans.

Can someone explain what impact this will have on CCFC? will our 10 year agreement still stand?
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #2
CRFC v Wasps

Pack the Butts
 
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usskyblue

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #3
Alkhen said:

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So looks like the inveitable is happening to our landlords. Admin and relegation. cant say i'm sheding many tears but do feel bad for the original fans.

Can someone explain what impact this will have on CCFC? will our 10 year agreement still stand?
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shepardo01

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #4
Could we be locked out of the stadium??
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #5
Our sub lease will be protected.

Nothing to worry about here.

Lets just start ripping down their signs knowing they can't afford to put them back.
 
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Alkhen

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #6
Liquid Gold said:
Our sub lease will be protected.

Nothing to worry about here.

Lets just start ripping down their signs knowing they can't afford to put them back.
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Yeah I did assume there are safeguards for this sort of thing, just as long as we dont get lumbered with a load of bills for running the stadium, staff, groudskeepers etc
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #7
shepardo01 said:
Could we be locked out of the stadium??
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no chance, any administrator will want to keep things running. the bigger concern may be ever getting back the money we paid up front to get the pitch sorted.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #8
chiefdave said:
no chance, any administrator will want to keep things running. the bigger concern may be ever getting back the money we paid up front to get the pitch sorted.
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Wasps have applied for/likely to get compo from CWG organisers- or they had/were...!!!
 

shepardo01

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #9
...so the training ground transferred to a company outside of Wasps... guess that will stay untouched by any admin!?... cheeky feckers...
 

pusbccfc

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #10
Will be wonderful to see them rattling around a 3000 seater stadium in some small town in Surrey or Kent next year.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #11
Cov Rugby are looking forward to telling them to fuck off when they come knocking at the butts for a ground share.
 
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jordan210

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #12
shepardo01 said:
...so the training ground transferred to a company outside of Wasps... guess that will stay untouched by any admin!?... cheeky feckers...
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Surprised they havent tried to turn it in to a housing estate yet
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #13
chiefdave said:
no chance, any administrator will want to keep things running. the bigger concern may be ever getting back the money we paid up front to get the pitch sorted.
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We haven't put a penny towards the pitch. CWG committee paid for the repairs.
 
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usskyblue

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #14
We should get Simon on the blower

 

pusbccfc

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #15
usskyblue said:
We should get Simon on the blower

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More chance of Simon Gilbert answering.
 

shepardo01

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #16
Could their debts be wiped so to speak, then Derek picks up the CBS on the cheap from admins, moves the training ground back over and voila, debt free but as you were with no need to pay bonds???... obviously based on a total lack of full understanding!
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #17
Well this was inevitable as we knew this was coming.
Here’s the reality. Wasps are buggered but so are we. We can’t afford this league and now is the chance for someone to potentially own both clubs.
However we know the same owner can reappear from an administration. We have first hand experience of that.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #18
jordan210 said:
Surprised they havent tried to turn it in to a housing estate yet
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They will sell parts for housing...they were having archaeological digs done right from the off...
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #19
Does a notice of intention to appoint an administrator automatically make the lease revert back to CCC?
 
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Seaside-Skyblue

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #20
Blimey, another another complicated administration story to follow. Let me get my notes...

Sent from my SM-A908B using Tapatalk
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #21
It explains the over drive with the emphasis on ccfc and how we are relegated and going bust.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #22
Their training ground was transferred to another entity and the stadium is under a different one I believe.
 

jordan210

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #23
Joy, now is your time to shine. Get the cheque book out of the hermes handbag.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Sep 21, 2022
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #25
shepardo01 said:
Could their debts be wiped so to speak, then Derek picks up the CBS on the cheap from admins, moves the training ground back over and voila, debt free but as you were with no need to pay bonds???... obviously based on a total lack of full understanding!
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Possibly but not sure how they'd do that given the ground is the security for the bonds. Suspect there's many more twists to come in this tale, not time to celebrate yet.
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 21, 2022
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AFCCOVENTRY said:
Their training ground was transferred to another entity and the stadium is under a different one I believe.
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Shady golden share situation.

Although the training ground was never owned by wasps.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #27
Suggs said:
Brilliant business decision
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #28
I guess Wasps get to choose the Administrator. What's Appleton up to these days?
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #29
Nick said:
Shady golden share situation.

Although the training ground was never owned by wasps.
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Yeah I suspect their owner could do something similar? I’m not familiar with how it works in rugby with golden share etc.

What is interesting is the bond holder might be first in line for repayment. £35m. That cash was used to purchase the CBS lease. Surely that might be up for sale now to repay the debt? Now do Sisu have a game plan? I suspect they knew this was coming.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #30
Sisu were able to pull the dodgy admin act because they were the only real creditor.

I don't know how Wasps manage it when they owe £35m externally.
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #31
shepardo01 said:
Could their debts be wiped so to speak, then Derek picks up the CBS on the cheap from admins, moves the training ground back over and voila, debt free but as you were with no need to pay bonds???... obviously based on a total lack of full understanding!
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Buyers will need to put up money to pay creditors (one of which will be the bondholders). It won't be £35m but a good chunk of it will still need to be covered.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #32
Liquid Gold said:
Sisu were able to pull the dodgy admin act because they were the only real creditor.

I don't know how Wasps manage it when they owe £35m externally.
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its not all the same company though. which part is going into admin and which part owes the money?
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #33
shepardo01 said:
Could their debts be wiped so to speak, then Derek picks up the CBS on the cheap from admins, moves the training ground back over and voila, debt free but as you were with no need to pay bonds???... obviously based on a total lack of full understanding!
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No, the bonds are secured against the ground. They could come to an agreement to pay a reduced amount but not sure bond holders would accept that.

@oldskyblue58 or @oldfiver probably best placed to comment.
 

Frankly_Mr_Shankly

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #34
Alkhen said:

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So looks like the inveitable is happening to our landlords. Admin and relegation. cant say i'm sheding many tears but do feel bad for the original fans.

Can someone explain what impact this will have on CCFC? will our 10 year agreement still stand?
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Original fans can sod off back to London
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 21, 2022
  • #35
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Well this was inevitable as we knew this was coming.
Here’s the reality. Wasps are buggered but so are we. We can’t afford this league and now is the chance for someone to potentially own both clubs.
However we know the same owner can reappear from an administration. We have first hand experience of that.
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Why on earth would we want to get involved with the utter moral disgrace and complete financial ruin that is Wasps (and pretty much Premiership rugby as a whole)? That would be madness.

It might however be a good time for a substantial investor to step in and negotiate taking on a 250-year lease on terms favourable to the club.
 
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