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Nick

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  • May 9, 2020
  • #1,646
clint van damme said:
Think his logic is it shows Robinson is there for the long haul. Not sure why that would convince you to invest 25 grand though.
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Its a separate company from wasps completely, doesn't mean he's in wasps for the long haul.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 9, 2020
  • #1,647
jordan210 said:
Why would you invest in bonds that isn't relevant to the hotel.

I know we have some deluded fans but they have a lot more.


Has anyone seen the training ground application amount of objections

Around about 165 comments with less than 5 on wasps side (with most being from out of area people)

I don't think the public option of wasps is positive as some would think



So have wasps been telling fans to support the application.
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Do you have a link(s)?
 

jordan210

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  • May 9, 2020
  • #1,648
CCFC54321 said:
Do you have a link(s)?
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for what bit ?
 

steveo1987

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  • May 9, 2020
  • #1,649
Latest bit of positive CCFC news from CET

Prem chief warns 'B-teams' could join EFL after pandemic
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 9, 2020
  • #1,650
steveo1987 said:
Latest bit of positive CCFC news from CET

Prem chief warns 'B-teams' could join EFL after pandemic
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Won’t matter to Ashworth anyway his team will be in the championship
 
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Covstu

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  • May 10, 2020
  • #1,651
steveo1987 said:
Latest bit of positive CCFC news from CET

Prem chief warns 'B-teams' could join EFL after pandemic
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I wonder how this would work, the u23s tend not to fair well in the EFL cup or whatever they call it this week. What happens if they all get relegated? How could you put players coming back from injury from the first teams into this team, massively unfair surely?
 

jordan210

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #1,652
Not sure if anyone saw this quote as wasn't on the Coventry Live article about the Ricoh hotel.

Councillor Jim O’Boyle, cabinet member for jobs and regeneration, added: “This is great news. A hotel has always been part of the wider plan for the whole development, so I’m glad to see this progress. I’m sure it will enable the team to secure even more brilliant events at the Ricoh and of course it will create new jobs for local people.”
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steveo1987

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #1,653
jordan210 said:
Not sure if anyone saw this quote as wasn't on the Coventry Live article about the Ricoh hotel.
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So why was the other application turned down?
 
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jordan210

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  • May 11, 2020
  • #1,654
steveo1987 said:
So why was the other application turned down?
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no free nights stay and tickets I guess
 
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CCFC88

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #1,655
Bond payments due today...
 

jordan210

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #1,656
CCFC88 said:
Bond payments due today...
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I think this is the website to keep an eye on. as investors use it as a forum

Wasps 22 Chat - WAS1 | ADVFN

I'm sure it will be paid. But what are the ramifications of not paying it ?
 
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CCFC88

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #1,657
jordan210 said:
I think this is the website to keep an eye on. as investors use it as a forum

Wasps 22 Chat - WAS1 | ADVFN

I'm sure it will be paid. But what are the ramifications of not paying it ?
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Yea that's where I saw that they were due today, would expect if they weren't getting paid they'd have been notified by now
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2020
  • #1,658
Richardson will pay them, he has enough money to cover all of the interest payments. Not the £35m bulk return and any refinancing they get will be payday loan rates. They're losing obscene money for a Rugby club and without massive investment of the type a premier league club can dream of they're destined to go pop eventually.
 
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jordan210

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #1,659
I have finally found the planning for the hotel

Coventry City Council: Planning Application Details

Interesting that this image doesn't line up with the plan. As the hotel takes up a lot more of carpark C

http://planning.coventry.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=1522807



Better image of land uses here. Interesting that the road in and out becomes part of the hotels boundary not the carparks

http://planning.coventry.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=1522819
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 12, 2020
  • #1,660
jordan210 said:
I have finally found the planning for the hotel

Coventry City Council: Planning Application Details

Interesting that this image doesn't line up with the plan. As the hotel takes up a lot more of carpark C

http://planning.coventry.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=1522807

View attachment 15046
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #1,661
Was the payment made yesterday?
 

jordan210

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #1,662
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Was the payment made yesterday?
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I did see on a different site it was due today. So who knows
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #1,663
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Was the payment made yesterday?
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I'd assume so
 

jordan210

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2020
  • #1,664
Iv had a look on a few finance sites and it says today is the day. When looking at the coupon maturity and payment date

Maturity Date 5/13/2022
Coupon Payment Date 5/13/2020
 
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speedie87

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #1,665
Do we know if they paid the interest on bonds today?
 

jordan210

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  • May 13, 2020
  • #1,666
speedie87 said:
Do we know if they paid the interest on bonds today?
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No idea. The comments on the finance website from today just says

Its obviously not great for them, but most staff will have their wages paid by the government and they got a cash injection from the Premiership when it was taken over. I'd be happy for them to keep the cash in the business and be able to repay later on, rather than continue to pay investors now when income is £0.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,667
Liquid Gold said:
Richardson will pay them, he has enough money to cover all of the interest payments. Not the £35m bulk return and any refinancing they get will be payday loan rates. They're losing obscene money for a Rugby club and without massive investment of the type a premier league club can dream of they're destined to go pop eventually.
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Which just means another millionaire can arrive to prop them up
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,668
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which just means another millionaire can arrive to prop them up
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Someone who has £100m in the bank would be dead broke within a decade. All to be the owner of a relegation threatened rugby club and very little hope of turning it around. I don’t see it.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,669
Rugby seems to be a fantastic way to shrink your fortune, if I was this Richardson bloke my wife would be all over for wasting money on this car crash club.
 
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tisza

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,670
Ricoh out of the running as a neutral ground if rugby restarts according to BBC
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,671
Liquid Gold said:
Someone who has £100m in the bank would be dead broke within a decade. All to be the owner of a relegation threatened rugby club and very little hope of turning it around. I don’t see it.
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Same could be said for many football clubs in the Championship or even the Prem
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,672
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Same could be said for many football clubs in the Championship or even the Prem
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To nowhere near the same extent, premier league football is guaranteed huge incomes, even if the clubs don't use them properly, and the global exposure is huge. As we can see so many owners use the clubs as branding exercises because they know the power of exposure. Rugby going out ot a few thousand weirdos on BT sport just doesn't have the popularity and in Wasps case they have no hope of ever getting a return. In the Championship you lose £10m a season over 10 years and 1 promotion pays it all back, in Rugby they might get to the Champions Cup final but the money involved barely dents what they're losing.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,673
Liquid Gold said:
To nowhere near the same extent, premier league football is guaranteed huge incomes, even if the clubs don't use them properly, and the global exposure is huge. As we can see so many owners use the clubs as branding exercises because they know the power of exposure. Rugby going out ot a few thousand weirdos on BT sport just doesn't have the popularity and in Wasps case they have no hope of ever getting a return. In the Championship you lose £10m a season over 10 years and 1 promotion pays it all back, in Rugby they might get to the Champions Cup final but the money involved barely dents what they're losing.
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And if promotion doesn’t happen the club has gambled its existence. I’m not sticking up for the insects as a viable business but heart rules head in a lot of these cases.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,674
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And if promotion doesn’t happen the club has gambled its existence. I’m not sticking up for the insects as a viable business but heart rules head in a lot of these cases.
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Yeah but what do they do? They go into administration and tumble down the leagues for a few years, us, Bolton Pompey etc.

In Rugby they just go bust.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,675
Liquid Gold said:
Yeah but what do they do? They go into administration and tumble down the leagues for a few years, us, Bolton Pompey etc.

In Rugby they just go bust.
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As long as the Ricoh is there they are not just a tinpot shit rugby team
 

Grendel

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,676
Richardson has always been primarily interested in land development
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,677
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As long as the Ricoh is there they are not just a tinpot shit rugby team
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The Ricoh is attached to £35m debts that are impossible to pay back and extremely difficult to refinance. I'm 95% sure that they won't have the stadium come May 2022
 

Grendel

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,678
Liquid Gold said:
The Ricoh is attached to £35m debts that are impossible to pay back and extremely difficult to refinance. I'm 95% sure that they won't have the stadium come May 2022
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It’s actually a lot less than that as some if the debt is the owners loans
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,679
Liquid Gold said:
The Ricoh is attached to £35m debts that are impossible to pay back and extremely difficult to refinance. I'm 95% sure that they won't have the stadium come May 2022
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I hope you’re correct but sneaky suspicion a white knight will arrive as they always seem to for everyone besides us!
 

chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2020
  • #1,680
Liquid Gold said:
To nowhere near the same extent, premier league football is guaranteed huge incomes, even if the clubs don't use them properly, and the global exposure is huge. As we can see so many owners use the clubs as branding exercises because they know the power of exposure. Rugby going out ot a few thousand weirdos on BT sport just doesn't have the popularity and in Wasps case they have no hope of ever getting a return. In the Championship you lose £10m a season over 10 years and 1 promotion pays it all back, in Rugby they might get to the Champions Cup final but the money involved barely dents what they're losing.
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Spot on. This is something Sepalla was correct about in her Sky interview. Wasps are maxed out, despite what they seem to have banked on their league isn't going to suddenly explode to match the Premier League.

Remember looking at the viewing figures when Italia was having one of his rants and one game of ours on Sky got higher viewing figures than all the Wasps games combined. That fact is being hammered home now as they're struggling to sell the TV rights which inevitably means the amount they receive will be a considerably lower than they were expecting.

Rugby has completely failed to learn from football and all the other sports that went before it. Its relatively new in terms of being professional and they had the opportunity to set it up in a way that made it profitable and easily sustained in the long term. Instead they saw pound signs that weren't there.
 
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