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torchomatic

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #6,966
CCFC54321 said:
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Emergency Attendance Day
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Sep 30, 2022
  • #6,967
Elite rugby club Wasps.....

Can't even spell Shite correctly.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,968
The group representing 10% of bondholders who had asked the Trustee to organise an EGM have asked the Trustee to put that process on hold since the Notice of Intent to appoint an administrator. Given it was going to take 5 weeks plus to actually hold the meeting, I think they will have lost any initiative they may have been able to take advantage of.

Given the inertia in the notification system ( it seems to take 2 weeks or so for updates to be sent through by brokers), if there is any chance to reject Wasps choice of administrators and appoint their own, this could easily be lost which will work against them. Had the EGM gone ahead, they would have been at least some way down the road to having a bondholder agreed position prepared.

The Trustee seems ineffective and unwilling to take any independent action, to a point which would make an independent observer wonder whose interests he is protecting _ bondholders or Wasps.

As you said, bondholders were getting their shit together to be proactive. To mix metaphors, they have now dropped the ball.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,969
MalcSB said:
The group representing 10% of bondholders who had asked the Trustee to organise an EGM have asked the Trustee to put that process on hold since the Notice of Intent to appoint an administrator. Given it was going to take 5 weeks plus to actually hold the meeting, I think they will have lost any initiative they may have been able to take advantage of.

Given the inertia in the notification system ( it seems to take 2 weeks or so for updates to be sent through by brokers), if there is any chance to reject Wasps choice of administrators and appoint their own, this could easily be lost which will work against them. Had the EGM gone ahead, they would have been at least some way down the road to having a bondholder agreed position prepared.

The Trustee seems ineffective and unwilling to take any independent action, to a point which would make an independent observer wonder whose interests he is protecting _ bondholders or Wasps.

As you said, bondholders were getting their shit together to be proactive. To mix metaphors, they have now dropped the ball.
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Does make you wonder about convenient tax demand allegedly.
 

MAFF

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,970
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,971
IMissMAF said:
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That buyout must be imminent then.
 

Moff

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,972
IMissMAF said:
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Did Dallaglio study at the Bobby Bridge school of journalism?
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,973
Killer few sentences from BBC Sport


Meanwhile, the Wasps situation is related to an unpaid tax bill and the repayment of £35m in bonds which helped finance their relocation from London in 2014.

Covid undoubtedly exacerbated the challenges that Premiership rugby clubs were already facing and one former club chief executive said that the current situation was symptomatic of the "real after-effect of Covid biting".

However, most clubs were making losses before the pandemic and there were already concerns about the sustainability of what clubs were spending on player wages compared to their incomes.

Worcester Warriors, Wasps & Premiership Rugby - key questions answered

BBC Sport looks at the reasons behind Worcester Warriors and Wasps' financial struggles and what impact it could have on Premiership Rugby's future.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,974
Club shop still down!
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,975
Gynnsthetonic said:
Club shop still down!
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There is zero need to shut down an online shop because you're moving warehouses. Just put a note on there that shipping will be delayed x number of days.

Very suss given the situation they are in and other clubs that haven't the same retail partner aren't having the same issue.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,976
See Gloucester mentioned in the article and when waps turned up or maybe a season later
I can remember doing a bit of analysis and Gloucester were an example of a well run club turnover around £12.5M on a 12,500 gate.
Losing around 500k a year can't quite remember what Wasps level was at but I'm sure the operation was heavily negative with the club leeching heavily from the ACL element.
 

MAFF

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,977
Gynnsthetonic said:
Club shop still down!
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no it's not
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,978
IMissMAF said:
no it's not
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I'm just going off the link that was put up yesterday
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,979
Somebody should show them the sales so far

 

Grendel

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,980
The land of self delusion known as Shugs claims wasps core support is already at 50% of Ccfc support despite being new in the area
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,981
Grendel said:
The land of self delusion known as Shugs claims wasps core support is already at 50% of Ccfc support despite being new in the area
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Perhaps the 0 was a typo ?

Edit: come to think of it, maybe the 5 was too, or at least missing a decimal point before it?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,982
Liquid Gold said:
Somebody should show them the sales so far

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hadn't even registered with me that it was Northampton and a good chunk of those very few ticket sales would be away fans.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,983

DrunkenWasps.com - Wasps

DrunkenWasps.com discussion board : Unofficial Wasps news and views
m.rugbynetwork.net
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,984
chiefdave said:
hadn't even registered with me that it was Northampton and a good chunk of those very few ticket sales would be away fans.
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Oh the old Deliah Smith technique.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,985
Grendel said:
The land of self delusion known as Shugs claims wasps core support is already at 50% of Ccfc support despite being new in the area
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To be fair - going off their stats they average what 6k? Our core is effectively 14k atm so it’s not far off
 
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Seaside-Skyblue

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,986
Even though relatively new to the area, this is a rugby club already playing in the top league. I'd guess that whatever gates they've been averaging is probably as good as it gets. They're not even a novelty anymore where you'd expect an influx of fans at the beginning.

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djbooth

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,987
chiefdave said:
hadn't even registered with me that it was Northampton and a good chunk of those very few ticket sales would be away fans.
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Wow 92 likes and 14 retweet….. what a marketing campaign. They won’t even cover Bobby’s free pies….
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Oct 1, 2022
  • #6,988
Liquid Gold said:
Somebody should show them the sales so far

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That is pathetic. Rugby Union is like watching paint dry -as a spectator sport it is Rank. The people who had freebies will surely realise this? I hope they have another low attendance from the home ‘fans’.
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,989

nothing to do with the losses for years and over spending. Allways covid
 

jordan210

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,990
Going to be interesting what they class the attendance next weekend. As will be based on tickets sold/given out again rather than actual gate number
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,991
jordan210 said:
Going to be interesting what they class the attendance as today. As will be based on tickets sold/given out again rather than actual gate number
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I think there is a very good chance the crowd could be zero, but knowing Wasps they will still say there were 9000 in attendance even though they aren’t playing today.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,992
jordan210 said:

nothing to do with the losses for years and over spending. Allways covid
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HMRC never go back on payment plans unless tax payer defaults on terms

How much is HMRC debt compared to other total debts?

How much did they get from PRL/DCMS to cover alot of their shortfalls?
 
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jordan210

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,993
Peter Billing Eyes said:
I think there is a very good chance the crowd could be zero, but knowing Wasps they will still say there were 9000 in attendance even though they aren’t playing today.
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For some reason I thought it was this weekend…
 

tisza

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,994
jordan210 said:

nothing to do with the losses for years and over spending. Allways covid
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They don't get it.
They are also in a mess (as they were pre-COVID) because they " reached for the stars" that were realistically out of reach. Even clubs with properly rich owners haven't taken on such a risky project. Even a similar project in their original home would have been risky.
A large part of their debt problem was taking on this bond which wasn't advancing the business but repaying their owner.
It wasn't a 35 million investment in the future it was clearing debt with the council and their owner.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,995
tisza said:
They don't get it.
They are also in a mess (as they were pre-COVID) because they " reached for the stars" that were realistically out of reach. Even clubs with properly rich owners haven't taken on such a risky project. Even a similar project in their original home would have been risky.
A large part of their debt problem was taking on this bond which wasn't advancing the business but repaying their owner.
It wasn't a 35 million investment in the future it was clearing debt with the council and their owner.
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As I've said before, they have paid people/players with money they haven't got, and other peoples money!
Just as bad/maybe even worse than Saracens, who I've seen many Wasps fans call "cheats".
 
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steveo1987

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,996
The delusion from some of the rugby journos and ex players is quite something..They lost nearly £3m back in 2008.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,997
steveo1987 said:
The delusion from some of the rugby journos and ex players is quite something..They lost nearly £3m back in 2008.
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Yeah it's like they just listen to their pr and just repeat it
 

JAM See

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,998
Flying Fokker said:
That is pathetic. Rugby Union is like watching paint dry -as a spectator sport it is Rank. The people who had freebies will surely realise this? I hope they have another low attendance from the home ‘fans’.
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That is unfair.

I enjoy watching RU at the Butts.

I also like test cricket (watching paint dry is sometimes an apt comparison, but I still enjoy it).

I want Wasps gone as much as the next person, but please don't conflate rugby union as a sport with Wasps as an entity.

If you want lots of action and 'goals', go and watch basketball.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #6,999
JAM See said:
That is unfair.

I enjoy watching RU at the Butts.

I also like test cricket (watching paint dry is sometimes an apt comparison, but I still enjoy it).

I want Wasps gone as much as the next person, but please don't conflate rugby union as a sport with Wasps as an entity.

If you want lots of action and 'goals', go and watch basketball.
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Maybe harsh. But having spectated from one end of the ground, it make for a less exciting spectacle than football. I can understand why you may enjoy watching Cov Rugby. Easier supporting Cov.

Cricket? Yes, I hear you but I prefer the day games nowadays. Here again it would be Warwickshire and England.
 
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rexo87

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  • Oct 2, 2022
  • #7,000
According to Shugs the CBS move will all work out in the fullness of time!

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