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Grendel

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,511
chiefdave said:
Hasn't another deadline just past with nothing happening. How many deadlines can they miss before there's some action taken?
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No it’s not a deadline there isn’t technically a deadline
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,512
When's the next interest payment due, is it October/November time, apparently its £2.8m, how the hell are they going to pay that
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,513
Grendel said:
No it’s not a deadline there isn’t technically a deadline
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I thought Wasps had said a consent solicitation process would be formalised in August, must have got my dates mixed up. When did they say they'd have that out by?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,514
chiefdave said:
I thought Wasps had said a consent solicitation process would be formalised in August, must have got my dates mixed up. When did they say they'd have that out by?
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They said they’d aim to.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,515
chiefdave said:
I thought Wasps had said a consent solicitation process would be formalised in August, must have got my dates mixed up. When did they say they'd have that out by?
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It wasn't a deadline, it's just a date they gave out, nothing illegal
 

shepardo01

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,516
chiefdave said:
Hasn't another deadline just past with nothing happening. How many deadlines can they miss before there's some action taken?
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It's almost like they know how difficult it is for anything to be done and are happy to just keep trying to pull the wool over everybody's eyes...

But obviously that is not what they are doing as it is just "not very wasps like" to do that kind of thing!!!
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,517
Grendel said:
They said they’d aim to.
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They didn’t say they would aim to, they said they would - so it was a (self proposed/imposed) deadline.

From Wasps update of 30 July

”The issuer is now working on the proposed bond terms to be amended and will formally launch a consent solicitation process in August once the proposed terms have been finalised.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,518
Gynnsthetonic said:
It wasn't a deadline, it's just a date they gave out, nothing illegal
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Not being illegal doesn’t make it not a deadline.

I think trading whilst insolvent is illegal though.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,519
shepardo01 said:
It's almost like they know how difficult it is for anything to be done and are happy to just keep trying to pull the wool over everybody's eyes...

But obviously that is not what they are doing as it is just "not very wasps like" to do that kind of thing!!!
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Probably waiting to get past the first match of the season.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,520
Gynnsthetonic said:
When's the next interest payment due, is it October/November time, apparently its £2.8m, how the hell are they going to pay that
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It will be half that as it will be 6 months interest.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,521
Grendel said:
No it’s not a deadline there isn’t technically a deadline
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The real deadline passed in May

They are now in a period where the Trustee (engaged by WASPS) considers it is worth extending delaying recovery action
 

duffer

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,522
Gynnsthetonic said:
It wasn't a deadline, it's just a date they gave out, nothing illegal
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Not illegal, but they clearly said that they would formalise a consent solicitation process in August, and they've evidently not done so.

It's going to even further erode the trust between the bondholders and the club, which is already at rock bottom in any case. If or when a deal is offered, who will be willing to take them at their word?

I think this makes it far more likely that a large proportion of bondholders will push for settlement rather than continued extension, and that can't be good for Wasps, imho.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,523
MalcSB said:
Probably waiting to get past the first match of the season.
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Why?
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,524
MalcSB said:
They didn’t say they would aim to, they said they would - so it was a (self proposed/imposed) deadline.

From Wasps update of 30 July

”The issuer is now working on the proposed bond terms to be amended and will formally launch a consent solicitation process in August once the proposed terms have been finalised.
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They didn't say what year!
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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duffer said:
Not illegal, but they clearly said that they would formalise a consent solicitation process in August, and they've evidently not done so.

It's going to even further erode the trust between the bondholders and the club, which is already at rock bottom in any case. If or when a deal is offered, who will be willing to take them at their word?

I think this makes it far more likely that a large proportion of bondholders will push for settlement rather than continued extension, and that can't be good for Wasps, imho.
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They've said a lot of stuff regarding deadlines which havnt materized, this being another one
 

duffer

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,526
Gynnsthetonic said:
They've said a lot of stuff regarding deadlines which havnt materized, this being another one
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Absolutely, which is why the bondholders are getting organised to take action. There's a pattern of behaviour here which has become evident - keep kicking the can down the road and hope for the best.

Investors and creditors get tired of that eventually...
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,527
oldfiver said:
The real deadline passed in May

They are now in a period where the Trustee (engaged by WASPS) considers it is worth extending delaying recovery action
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Yes it did but clearly they believe they can carry on with paying interest without sufficient numbers to object to what is happening
 

shepardo01

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,528
Gynnsthetonic said:
Why?
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Sure I read somewhere that the Rugby penalties aren't as severe... can't be expelled from league. Would need more clarification from someone who knows though....
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,529
Grendel said:
Yes it did but clearly they believe they can carry on with paying interest without sufficient numbers to object to what is happening
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But how long can they go on paying the interest. Be interesting next due payment
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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shepardo01 said:
Sure I read somewhere that the Rugby penalties aren't as severe... can't be expelled from league. Would need more clarification from someone who knows though....
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Can't see them being expelled, they could get deducted 10000 points and still wouldn't be relegated. Ealing would be more than willing though to take their place I'm sure.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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Gynnsthetonic said:
Can't see them being expelled, they could get deducted 10000 points and still wouldn't be relegated. Ealing would be more than willing though to take their place I'm sure.
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Wasps could merge with them, go back to their roots...
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,532
Gynnsthetonic said:
Why?
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Because it will potentially limit the range of penalties from the RFU.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,533
shepardo01 said:
Sure I read somewhere that the Rugby penalties aren't as severe... can't be expelled from league. Would need more clarification from someone who knows though....
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According to RFU rules, they could potentially be relegated.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,534
Deleted member 5849 said:
Wasps could merge with them, go back to their roots...
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Coach loads of Coventry based Wasp fans converge in London every fortnight
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,535
MalcSB said:
According to RFU rules, they could potentially be relegated.
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No relegation though
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,536
Gynnsthetonic said:
No relegation though
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That’s an interesting one. There is no sporting performance based relegation according to PRL rules, but if Wasps went spectacularly bust- who knows. Which is why I said “potentially”.
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,537
Gynnsthetonic said:
But how long can they go on paying the interest. Be interesting next due payment
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This is probably the thing to keep an eye on. I suspect they’ll keep scraping the money together to pay it
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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djr8369 said:
This is probably the thing to keep an eye on. I suspect they’ll keep scraping the money together to pay it
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Someone on the bond holders forum have suggested that extending the term at current interest rate could be preferable to Wasps as commercial rates are likely to be 10% or more.
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,539
MalcSB said:
Someone on the bond holders forum have suggested that extending the term at current interest rate could be preferable to Wasps as commercial rates are likely to be 10% or more.
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Might be their least bad option
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,540
djr8369 said:
Might be their least bad option
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But they need the bondholders to agree. They seem to be prepared to give Wasps some time, but I’m not sure a continuation at 6.5% will be all that attractive to them.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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Grendel said:
Yes it did but clearly they believe they can carry on with paying interest without sufficient numbers to object to what is happening
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The numbers are getting there, seems like they are up to over 10%, sufficient to call an EGM, already.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,542
Grendel said:
Yes it did but clearly they believe they can carry on with paying interest without sufficient numbers to object to what is happening
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The first target to meet direct with Trustee is believed to have been met

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djr8369

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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MalcSB said:
But they need the bondholders to agree. They seem to be prepared to give Wasps some time, but I’m not sure a continuation at 6.5% will be all that attractive to them.
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I was about to raise the same point as G but see you’ve addressed it below.

Is this via a Facebook group? If so, hopefully people will continue to update this thread with any developments.

On that note, thanks to everyone contributing. I’m enjoying catching up on this thread!
 

AOM

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  • Sep 1, 2022
  • #6,544
Gynnsthetonic said:
Coach loads of Coventry based Wasp fans converge in London every fortnight
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All 3 of them could share an Uber
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 1, 2022
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djr8369 said:
I was about to raise the same point as G but see you’ve addressed it below.

Is this via a Facebook group? If so, hopefully people will continue to update this thread with any developments.

On that note, thanks to everyone contributing. I’m enjoying catching up on this thread!
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