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clint van damme

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,216
Can anyone think of another 'journalist' who has restrictions on who can reply to their tweets?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,217
clint van damme said:
Can anyone think of another 'journalist' who has restrictions on who can reply to their tweets?
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Almost like he knows people will ask him about the Wasps stuff.
 

slyblue57

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,218
chiefdave said:
fuck all. As far as I can make out the only venues that have had money are the CBS, the athletics stadium which has essentially been rebuilt, and a new aquatics centre. There's a clear legacy with the last two, not sure how putting a new front on the CBS will benefit taxpayers.
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Over thinking there. It benefits London Wasps , what more could the Council want ?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,219
clint van damme said:
Can anyone think of another 'journalist' who has restrictions on who can reply to their tweets?
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Not on this one though, so you know what to do...

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,220
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not on this one though, so you know what to do...

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How is he ‘famous’ enough to get a tick on his profile?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,221
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How is he ‘famous’ enough to get a tick on his profile?
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Anybody with enough followers can apply.
 

jordan210

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,222
On ADVFN

Bond repayment extended to end of August with an update on July 31st!!


So kicking can down road
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,223
Repayment deferred to end of August.
Further update 29 July
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,224
jordan210 said:
On ADVFN

Bond repayment extended to end of August with an update on July 31st!!


So kicking can down road
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Sounds like buying time whilst the grant application is considered by WMCA.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,225
Waiting for councils investment then
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,226
So are wasps attempting to delay payment essentially indefinitely until unknown funding is secured while the bond holders are unable to call in their debt.

Seems dodgy as fuck.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,227
Liquid Gold said:
So are wasps attempting to delay payment essentially indefinitely until unknown funding is secured while the bond holders are unable to call in their debt.

Seems dodgy as fuck.
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Bond Holders can call a Receiver today but need a vote to do so
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,228
Probably just waiting for the bailout to be signed off.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,229
oldfiver said:
Bond Holders can call a Receiver today but need a vote to do so
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I'd assume that, as long as you're getting your interest payments added on, the lesser of the evils is to hold tight and hope it works itself out, anyway?
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,230
No sympathy for the bond holders greedy bastards hopefully they have another shitty month wondering when and if they will get anything back.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,231
MalcSB said:
The interest was 6.5% per year paid in two instalment, not 6% every 6 months. So the £2k investor will have received £910 so far.
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Of which £195 they paid to them selves - until the loan repaid
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,232
Terry Gibson's perm said:
No sympathy for the bond holders greedy bastards hopefully they have another shitty month wondering when and if they will get anything back.
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Couldnt some be in pension funds?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,233

Wasps Bonds

Learn more about investing in Wasps Finance and purchasing a Bonds.
www.wasps.co.uk

RHS in Yellow
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,234
Grendel said:
Couldnt some be in pension funds?
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Possibly but if it was part of my fund it would be tiny, the individual investors deserve to lose they will mostly be rich people trying to get richer pure greed I wonder how our old friend Italia feels
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,235
Terry Gibson's perm said:
No sympathy for the bond holders greedy bastards hopefully they have another shitty month wondering when and if they will get anything back.
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you're all heart mate!
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,236
Nick said:
Almost like he knows people will ask him about the Wasps stuff.
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The waste of space blocked me on Twitter as I had the cheek to ask him about wasps finances. What’s that say about him?
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,237
Grendel said:
Couldnt some be in pension funds?
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Out of the initial 35m investment wasn't this used to pay the interest payments and pay back Richardsons loan, the Wasp company is insolvent, do not know why HSBC would be willing to loan money whether Wasp get the grant or not.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,238
Nick said:
Probably just waiting for the bailout to be signed off.
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WMCA waiting to get Commonwealth Games out of way ?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,239
They've said they now expect the Bonds to be paid on or before 12th August while due diligence takes place from HSBC, that's the statement they said in May about being paid on or before 30th June. This could just go on and on.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,240
Gynnsthetonic said:
They've said they now expect the Bonds to be paid on or before 12th August while due diligence takes place from HSBC, that's the statement they said in May about being paid on or before 30th June. This could just go on and on.
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Something has probably come up in the due diligence carried out so far - like the need for repairs to the principal asset.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,241
MalcSB said:
Something has probably come up in the due diligence carried out so far - like the need for repairs to the principal asset.
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That should not be funded by taxpayer!
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,242
oldfiver said:
That should not be funded by taxpayer!
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Hopefully it won't, how can a franchise rugby club that nobody in the area wants be gifted local tax payers money is beyond me
 
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jordan210

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,243
What ever happened to the money they got given to make part of the stadium a Judo arena or some shite like that.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,244
Late to the party, but if I've understood it right, HSBC will probably give Wasps a loan, if they get a W Mids grant to repair 'their' stadium. I assume interest repayments on any loan will be increasing month on month at the moment (inflation increasing all the time). Even if they get the loan, surely they are going to be getting squeezed further regarding income/expenditure. Can't see why anybody would be happy giving them a loan based on their current trajectory. Presumably they can't use the stadium as a guarantee, as I thought the Council ought to have a view/stake in that?
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,245
The guarantors are wasps Holdings and Arena Coventry Limited. I thought ACL managed the Arena, not owned it. However, bond holders seem to think the Arena itself is the collateral.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,246
I find it bizarre. This isn't borrowing a tenner off your mate who can't pay you back. How can they just keep saying we'll pay it back later?
oldfiver said:
Repayment deferred to end of August.
Further update 29 July
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It says further update but they're not really provided much of an update past we don't have the money come back later have they?
oldfiver said:
Bond Holders can call a Receiver today but need a vote to do so
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On that bond holders board nobody can get hold of anyone to enquire about doing anything
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,247
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Late to the party, but if I've understood it right, HSBC will probably give Wasps a loan, if they get a W Mids grant to repair 'their' stadium. I assume interest repayments on any loan will be increasing month on month at the moment (inflation increasing all the time). Even if they get the loan, surely they are going to be getting squeezed further regarding income/expenditure. Can't see why anybody would be happy giving them a loan based on their current trajectory. Presumably they can't use the stadium as a guarantee, as I thought the Council ought to have a view/stake in that?
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That’s the theory but would HSBC be satisfied with them being propped up by a council grant? What would that say about the viability of wasps/the stadium business over the length of the financing scheme?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,248
djr8369 said:
That’s the theory but would HSBC be satisfied with them being propped up by a council grant? What would that say about the viability of wasps/the stadium business over the length of the financing scheme?
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Wonder why it should be a grant? Straight gift to go with the other "gifts" to improve the stadium. At this rate they will be given more than they paid for i!
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,249
and a refinance in 2 months time will be more expensive than a refinance 2 months ago

oldfiver said:
Wonder why it should be a grant? Straight gift to go with the other "gifts" to improve the stadium. At this rate they will be given more than they paid for i!
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another court case from Sisu ?
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 30, 2022
  • #5,250
skybluesam66 said:
and a refinance in 2 months time will be more expensive than a refinance 2 months ago


another court case from Sisu ?
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Not just SISU - every other sports provider in the city plus struggling businesses and potentially, ratepayers watching their hard earned going to a lost cause!
 
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