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Grendel

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,781
Liquid Gold said:
This just shouts from the rooftops how fucked they are. no way would any successful business allow this to happen.

I’m sure they’ll find a way of kicking the can down the road but without a miracle from somewhere their failure here is inevitable.
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the frustration here is the lack of media attention

imagine if this was served on Otium Entertainment especially a few years ago
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,782
Grendel said:
the frustration here is the lack of media attention

imagine if this was served on Otium Entertainment especially a few years ago
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And as for Andy Turner, what does he actually do.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,783
Why isn't Bobby Bridge onto it I wonder
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,784
Grendel said:
the frustration here is the lack of media attention

imagine if this was served on Otium Entertainment especially a few years ago
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I made a similar point earlier in the week.

Alrhough the telegraph has softened in recent years there is no way they wouldn’t be running with sisu doing this.

That twat David Conn who loved writing about evil hedge funds in sports clubs hasn’t said a peep either.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,785
This on the Wasps site/ rugby network.

DrunkenWasps.com - Wasps

DrunkenWasps.com : Unofficial Wasps news, views and message boards.
www.rugbynetwork.net
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Re: Message from Stephen Vaughan addressing some supporters concerns
Dehuminiser 28 May, 2022 11:07
No one knows what it means but ACL (2006) is the company that holds the debt and it’s accounts are delayed which is I assume why companies house have issued a termination notice

iEC which is the commercial arm also not submitted accounts

A loan company is highly unlikely to be able to underwrite a £35 million pound loan against a company that’s been issued a strike off order

The logical conclusion is Richardson is trying to sell the ACl iec elements of the business

remember wasps rugby club actually now have a 50 year sub lease not 250 years
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,786
CCFCSteve said:
Some interesting comments. I was surprised by this

‘barondene: The rent from CCFC does not reach 6 figures and that is gross - ie before all expenditures’

I can’t recall what our financial info said about the rent cost and whether that ties in. If it’s correct I don’t think our return will salvage the situation for Wasps long term, although CBS sponsorship probably wouldn’t have been secured without it so might’ve bought some time
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Grendel

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,787
Gynnsthetonic said:
Why isn't Bobby Bridge onto it I wonder
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hes away on holiday

 
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oldfiver

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,788
Think that should be not more than six figures?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,789
It's the final round of fixtures next week, why it goes on so long I don't know, could any announcement be on hold until after this date?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,790
Grendel said:
hes away on holiday

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Convenient, he's had loads of time to look into it not just this weekend
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,791
Grendel said:
hes away on holiday

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His room has a pretty good view of the stadium I think

 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,792
Gynnsthetonic said:
Convenient, he's had loads of time to look into it not just this weekend
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That was a shocking response. Could of said I’ll get someone to look into it at the office etc. very poor.

Guy will do everything to protect his free shirt and match tickets.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,793
CCFC54321 said:
That was a shocking response. Could of said I’ll get someone to look into it at the office etc. very poor.

Guy will do everything to protect his free shirt and match tickets.
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hes freelance now isn’t he
 

Grendel

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,794
It is a story looming and will have implications for the football club as well as the rugby club

It’s astonishing really that someone hasn’t got hold of it. Gilbert more than Bridge really. The council have put everything into wasps at the expense of the football club. Commonwealth games events round the corner and a concert tonight in a venue that is about to be struck off companies house
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,795
Whats happened to Les Reid too?
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,796
Grendel said:
It is a story looming and will have implications for the football club as well as the rugby club

It’s astonishing really that someone hasn’t got hold of it. Gilbert more than Bridge really. The council have put everything into wasps at the expense of the football club. Commonwealth games events round the corner and a concert tonight in a venue that is about to be struck off companies house
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I messaged Gilbert last night…. Watch this space….
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,797
Grendel said:
Acl (2006) ltd I think has the external loan funding and no employees

IEC experience ltd is the operating company of conferences events etc

I would guess the late accounts have triggered the notice?

It could be a takeover of the business by someone else or a restructure - closing the company and moving around the funding side
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IEC EXPERIENCE LIMITED
Company number 08039699

31 May 2022 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08039699/filing-history/MzM0MDIzNjU1OWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

 
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Grendel

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,798
Philosorapter said:
IEC EXPERIENCE LIMITED
Company number 08039699

31 May 2022 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08039699/filing-history/MzM0MDIzNjU1OWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

View attachment 24865
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Hardly surprising as the accounts are late - it’s clear some restructuring is going to happen or they have sold the non playing side of the business to fund the rugby side
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,799
Philosorapter said:
ARENA COVENTRY (2006) LIMITED
Company number 05675263

31 May 2022 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05675263/filing-history/MzMzOTkxNDQ0MWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

What stuff does that company hold?

I lose track of these things.
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It's a sub lease holder I think, it's where the 50 year sub lease sits iirc?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 28, 2022
  • #3,800
Grendel said:
It’s highly unlikely the bond will default
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It is in a position of technical default, though it's highly unlikely it'll mean the stadium is repossessed by the trustees
 

Grendel

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,801
Interesting article showing the general issues in top flight rugby

SPECIAL REPORT: Premiership Rugby facing an escalating jobs crisis

SPECIAL REPORT: The showbiz end of the Premiership season is filled with awards nights but an escalating jobs crisis means a number of players are facing a far less glamorous finale.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,802
Grendel said:
Interesting article showing the general issues in top flight rugby

SPECIAL REPORT: Premiership Rugby facing an escalating jobs crisis

SPECIAL REPORT: The showbiz end of the Premiership season is filled with awards nights but an escalating jobs crisis means a number of players are facing a far less glamorous finale.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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I guess it’s hard to fund when you are getting crowds equivalent to league one.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,803
It's seems to be a less popular sport now than when Wasps arrived in Coventry, both for watching and playing.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,804
If these companies are struck-off, does this mean the naming rights for the Arena and the stands etc can be sold again?
 

Grendel

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,805
Philosorapter said:
If these companies are struck-off, does this mean the naming rights for the Arena and the stands etc can be sold again?
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No the striking off ultimately will be a technicality and can be reversed before the strike off order
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,806
Grendel said:
No the striking off ultimately will be a technicality and can be reversed before the strike off order
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But if they are not, as it stands at the end of May, to the dissolution of these companies.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,807
Also, aren't the P-shares in a rugby league been put up as part of the collateral against the bond?
 

Grendel

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,808
Philosorapter said:
But if they are not, as it stands at the end of May, to the dissolution of these companies.
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Wasps holdings ltd are not and they are the holding company

Also notice is 2 months after the date
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,809
Grendel said:
Wasps holdings ltd are not and they are the holding company

Also notice is 2 months after the date
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I guess there is going to be some anguish over the next few months from the people of Wycombe.
 

jordan210

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,810
I bet some of the bond holders have squeaky bum's
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,811
Philosorapter said:
Also, aren't the P-shares in a rugby league been put up as part of the collateral against the bond?
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The invested units wasps have in Premier Rugby Limited have a fair value of £17.6 Million, apparently.
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,812
Grendel said:
No the striking off ultimately will be a technicality and can be reversed before the strike off order
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What sort of "technicality" do you have in mind? Can I suggest the problem, what ever it is was known in March and it delayed the accounts being filed?
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,813
Grendel said:
Wasps holdings ltd are not and they are the holding company

Also notice is 2 months after the date
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So far, they haven't been issued with a notice for a winding up order,
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,814
Philosorapter said:
The invested units wasps have in Premier Rugby Limited have a fair value of £17.6 Million, apparently.
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Grendel

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  • May 29, 2022
  • #3,815
oldfiver said:
What sort of "technicality" do you have in mind? Can I suggest the problem, what ever it is was known in March and it delayed the accounts being filed?
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They must not have been for a reason as the group accounts have been filed haven’t they?
 
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