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CCFC54321

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,641
Gynnsthetonic said:
I just can't see how they can last, they're losing in the region of 10m a year with 4k-5k paying spectators, their London based fans can't be bothered anymore and over the years that fanbase will just dwindle.
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They can’t. A wasps ‘supporter’ I know even says it’s only a matter of time before they go pop.
 

FulltimeWum

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,642
Wasps are so good they give each fan who stumps up the cash,a forever momento share which is so rare it is golden.

Sisu are so bad they keep the only golden share.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,643
CCFC54321 said:
They can’t. A wasps ‘supporter’ I know even says it’s only a matter of time before they go pop.
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Is that the one that said they would in 2017?
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,644
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. Unless there’s some dramatic changes the model doesn’t appear to work. It’s all well and good owning a ground but if youre having to pay 6.5%* pa (£2m) just to service interest on the debt with dwindling crowds/match day income then you’re going to struggle. The only things I can think of that can help dig them out if this mess is external investment, large non sport events/gigs and sponsorship (not sure what CBS are paying ?)


*could increase in future
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We will be paying a significant amount of the interest which is why we are allowed back
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,645
CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. Unless there’s some dramatic changes the model doesn’t appear to work. It’s all well and good owning a ground but if youre having to pay 6.5%* pa (£2m) just to service interest on the debt with dwindling crowds/match day income then you’re going to struggle. The only things I can think of that can help dig them out if this mess is external investment, large non sport events/gigs and sponsorship (not sure what CBS are paying ?)


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Can't see where the external investment will come from, it's been a loss making business since they arrived and hasn't changed to this day.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,646
Grendel said:
Is that the one that said they would in 2017?
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genuine question here….

Why do you come on here? Your only motive on this site is to be rude, spiteful, argumentative, shout down anyone that has an alternative opinion and down right horrible. What drives you to be such a person?

I’m not going to respond again to your sarcasm as I often tend to put you in my back pocket after a post or two as your not worth it pal.


I’m certainly not going to allow you to ruin such a good thread either!
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,647
Gynnsthetonic said:
Can't see where the external investment will come from, it's been a loss making business since they arrived and hasn't changed to this day.
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Love to see their business plan for the next five years…. If they have one mate!
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,648
Grendel said:
We will be paying a significant amount of the interest which is why we are allowed back
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Agreed. The club is still massively loss making though and I wouldn’t be surprised if rates go up further, assuming they’re able to secure a refinance.
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,649
CCFC54321 said:
genuine question here….

Why do you come on here? Your only motive on this site is to be rude, spiteful, argumentative, shout down anyone that has an alternative opinion and down right horrible. What drives you to be such a person?

I’m not going to respond again to your sarcasm as I often tend to put you in my back pocket after a post or two as your not worth it pal.


I’m certainly not going to allow you to ruin such a good thread either!
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How is exposing your uninformed rubbish and lack of any financial knowledge sarcastic rude of spiteful

You haven’t a clue what you are talking about and I consider I need to make people aware of that
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,650
Philosorapter said:
There seems to be strife with the bondholders. Some look like they're getting ready to kick off.
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Can you share the link please? Cheers.
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,651
CCFC54321 said:
Can you share the link please? Cheers.
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ADVFN

uk.advfn.com
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,652
CCFC54321 said:
Love to see their business plan for the next five years…. If they have one mate!
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Their valuers and auditors should have seen one?
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,653
Grendel said:
We will be paying a significant amount of the interest which is why we are allowed back
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The reason they wanted CCFC back was they are the attraction at the stadium which also led CBS there
 
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CCFC54321

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,654
oldfiver said:

ADVFN

uk.advfn.com
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Thanks mate- appreciated
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,655
oldfiver said:
The reason they wanted CCFC back was they are the attraction at the stadium which also led CBS there
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We are the main event!
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,656
oldfiver said:
The reason they wanted CCFC back was they are the attraction at the stadium which also led CBS there
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Which is another reason the main company won’t fold
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,657
Grendel said:
Which is another reason the main company won’t fold
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They will not survive just relying on CCFC income and the lease is running down
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,658
oldfiver said:
They will not survive just relying on CCFC income and the lease is running down
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its hardly running down it’s got 240 years to run!
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,659
Let’s be honest if Sepalla and Boddy were serious about ground ownership they’d look to buy the lease from wasps holdings and save a fortune compared to building a new ground
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,660
Grendel said:
its hardly running down it’s got 240 years to run!
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Our lease is 8 years to run
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,661
Grendel said:
Let’s be honest if Sepalla and Boddy were serious about ground ownership they’d look to buy the lease from wasps holdings and save a fortune compared to building a new ground
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It's worthless, why would they buy it, Wasps never as they sold bonds to purchase it.
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,662
Gynnsthetonic said:
It's worthless, why would they buy it, Wasps never as they sold bonds to purchase it.
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They bought it before the bond issue abs it’s valued at £60 million
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,663
Grendel said:
They bought it before the bond issue abs it’s valued at £60 million
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Bought it for how much, 2.7m was it not, not 60m, then they issued the bonds which paid off the councils loan and covered their original purchase. It may be valued at 60m but Wasps won't get anything for it
 

Grendel

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,664
Gynnsthetonic said:
Bought it for how much, 2.7m was it not, not 60m, then they issued the bonds which paid off the councils loan and covered their original purchase. It may be valued at 60m but Wasps won't get anything for it
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It was £5.4m plus £1m for the lease. It also included the operational debt of around £20m.

Of course it’s worth money it’s stupid to say it has zero value
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,665
Grendel said:
its hardly running down it’s got 240 years to run!
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I meant CCFC lease
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,666
Grendel said:
It was £5.4m plus £1m for the lease. It also included the operational debt of around £20m.

Of course it’s worth money it’s stupid to say it has zero value
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To SISU it has zero value as they won't offer anything, that's if Wasps were willing to sell, and would CCC let that happen. Could SISU not issue a similar bond scheme to raise funds?
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,667
Grendel said:
Let’s be honest if Sepalla and Boddy were serious about ground ownership they’d look to buy the lease from wasps holdings and save a fortune compared to building a new ground
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It would cost as much to bring it up to standard as building a new one

I understand the dilaps are one problem in the equation
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,668
oldfiver said:
It would cost as much to bring it up to standard as building a new one

I understand the dilaps are one problem in the equation
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Is that not the responsibility of the freeholder?
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,669
Grendel said:
It was £5.4m plus £1m for the lease. It also included the operational debt of around £20m.

Of course it’s worth money it’s stupid to say it has zero value
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It only has 2 values - what someone would pay for it and the in use value to the current owner
 
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oldfiver

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  • May 18, 2022
  • #3,670
Gynnsthetonic said:
Is that not the responsibility of the freeholder?
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No most definitely not
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 19, 2022
  • #3,671
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Bridge has been released from his cage and has written his propaganda piece.
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I'm surprised he's not said that they didn't want to repay the bond on Friday the 13th or something
 

Moff

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  • May 20, 2022
  • #3,672
Another full house tonight….oh and sadly another loss
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • May 20, 2022
  • #3,673
Shame Cov Rfc are away tomorrow at Ealing as there could of been a bumper crowd at the Butts for their cup final, even better if they'd of moved it to the CBS and got over 10k
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 20, 2022
  • #3,674
Moff said:
Another full house tonight….oh and sadly another loss View attachment 24814
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There is a few that post on this forum in the stand there. Sadly, they will never admit it publicly.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • May 21, 2022
  • #3,675
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There is a few that post on this forum in the stand there. Sadly, they will never admit it publicly.
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It could have been their last game at the Ricoh.

Is it 21 days to default on the bond?
 
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