Everyone posting on here has a choice to make - they can points score and rehash arguments while CCFC hits ever more lows or take the view that trying to do something to save ccfc is more important and focus on talking about that
Thanks for setting me straight on my motive and agenda! I came on here looking for something to cheer me up about ccfc, was totally depressed by the posts I read but you have at last made me laugh. What you say is solely the product of your own imagination and bears no relation to reality but you have at least me me smile. Cheers!
Well we are now to choose between seriously attempting to build a new ground or becoming a permanent pay packet for Wasps. Genuine question, which would you prefer?
Better then hanging on Tim Fishers every word don't you think?
I always took the view that you should fight for what you want and not accept a shit choice other people try to foist on you.
See, I can get why, now they're here, the local clubs have to work with Wasps really, *have* to, because otherwise they get trampled over. I can see how it could be helpful to Rugby too, given they're on their knees after the odd mentalist, it offers the chance for a leg up and a shot in the arm where currently there's limited chance for that.
I'm sure there must be a better way though. An ideal scenario given where we are could be that the local teams get that bump... then Wasps bog off having spent their cash they don't have, leaving the local clubs to fill the void. Everyone then is a winner long term
The problem is though, once you normalise things (like the Rugby Academy system, as you point out!) it often comes back to haunt you at a later stage.
The sixfields move was often portrayed in a similar yes/no way and I always took the view that you should fight for what you want and not accept a shit choice other people try to foist on you. Same now - as I'm trying to express in other posts, we could try stopping the points scoring and bickering and instead focus on what as fans we want to happen and then how do we fight for that
The sixfields move was often portrayed in a similar yes/no way and I always took the view that you should fight for what you want and not accept a shit choice other people try to foist on you. Same now - as I'm trying to express in other posts, we could try stopping the points scoring and bickering and instead focus on what as fans we want to happen and then how do we fight for that
But - success; there's an issue. They're expecting a big gate against London Irish on the 21st. I can't see it. I think there'll be some unhappy faces at about 6pm that evening......
Problem with that is we all have different ways forward, and some would be all for a Wasps takeover, some all for 100% fan ownership... and to a degree, inevitably, we end up back in the same circles anyway.
Shouldn't we go even simpler than that, and ask how to get more people to actually *care*?
And while they were privately negotating with Wasps they were privately doing a deal for us to return too. And worst of all publically declaring they wanted to "rebuild trust".
The irony is despite being more against it than you (it seems) I can see a big gate then, because they seem to at least be aware of the need for it. At the end of the day, a large crowd for that game probably of far more value than not subsidising ticket giveaways.
We shall see, I guess...
We also need realism otherwise people will end up wasting their time and effort on a hopeless cause. Wasps aren't selling their stake and they are going to rip us off no question so it really is a black and white case. Ricoh as tenants or elsewhere as owners-neither is palateable.
Problem with that is we all have different ways forward, and some would be all for a Wasps takeover, some all for 100% fan ownership... and to a degree, inevitably, we end up back in the same circles anyway.
Shouldn't we go even simpler than that, and ask how to get more people to actually *care*?
"Wasting time and effort on a hopeless cause2 was exactly what plenty of people said on here about fighting against sixfields!
So let's say we do what you suggest. The only logical step is going to be supporting the current owners as they are in control.
Are you prepared to do that for the greater good?
To get people to care first you have to get the supporters back.
Sorry but that was Sisu biggest mistake took the supporters for granted thought they would take all this shit.
So yes most see them as the devil and will never trust them Till they are gone we are fucked.
I have meet with them on numerous occasions and they say one thing and then do the opposite.
Unfortunately their are a gullible few who hang on their every word.
They tell us that their deal is better then the Wasps, we only have their word for it .
I for one would take that with a pinch of salt until I see it in person.
And our council has helped with the advertising too, which it never did for the city's own clubs.
Our return to Coventry from Sixfields was an inevitability. It was always within the club's power to return, this time there are 2 things it can pursue and owning ACL isn't one of them. I'll tell you one thing though, Lucas and her Labour cronies getting booted out at the next election would do me no end of satisfaction.
I think LAST is going to prove us wrong there. They did "apparently".
If I'm wrong I'll be glad to be proven so.
"Our return to Coventry from Sixfields was an inevitability". Why didn't you say so then - it would have saved a lot of people a lot of time and effort
It was no doubt hastened by the boycott and negative publicity. But I'm asking you, what exactly are you campaigning for right now? What 3rd option do you see for the fans to rally behind?
I don't have a particular view beyond it would be good to talk about it but there are always options. If you do nothing then nothing will change - if you try things, something might just work. There is opposition to wasps and opposition to sisu so put pressure on both. Just thinking aloud, a protest on 21 dec and a boycott of merchandise - not saying either are any good and other people will have much better ideas. But if everyone sits back and does nothing then we are really are screwed
The best outcome is for the club to have access to all the revenue it produces without having to pay rent. No chance of Wasps enabling either so it remains to build and own a ground elsewhere if they can't be negotiated with.
This arrangement guarantees Cov Rugby will permanently be the smaller rugby club in its own city. I'm no follower of rugby so wasn't aware of the Worcester arrangement which is just as insulting a set-up. What I want is for all the city's sports teams to succeed and that will not happen if local talent is sent elsewhere and it definitely will not happen with an imported franchise setting up shop here. The best attended rugby club in England, Saracens, can't even pull in 15,000 a week. It's pathetic.
Got to pick up on that last point. Northampton Saints get around 17,000 with the expanded Franklins Gardens.
Anyway, not really central to this thread....
Our return to Coventry from Sixfields was an inevitability. It was always within the club's power to return, this time there are 2 things it can pursue and owning ACL isn't one of them. I'll tell you one thing though, Lucas and her Labour cronies getting booted out at the next election would do me no end of satisfaction.
Leicester regularly get over 20,000Got to pick up on that last point. Northampton Saints get around 17,000 with the expanded Franklins Gardens.
Anyway, not really central to this thread....
With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
I think a few others like Spider Ricoh are enjoying it far far more
Dai Young is meeting with Scott Morgan this week to start work on joint player development. Peter Rossborough was representing CRFC, and 44 of the other 46 local clubs also sent attendees or delegations.
At the moment, all local talent (Coventry, Warwickshire) is routed via Worcester, of course. This ends in 2016. After this, it's fair to expect Wasps to pitch hard for it - and I'd guess they'll be successful. At that point, it's fair to say all local talent, rather than going to Worcester, will stay in Coventry via the Wasps-Coventry partnership. In that regards, it's very much a positive, I guess.
Wasps have stated that their preferred slot will be Sundays at 2pm; and CRFC will be Saturday at 3pm; so no fixturing clash
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