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Rusty Trombone

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #141
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
As someone who's been to the Ricoh this evening and met with and heard Nick Eastwood speaking; you're wrong. It may not be a deal that suits CCFC - that's clear, but it is part of a bigger picture that you're unaware of
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Enlighten us.
 

torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #142
Ooh, a bigger picture. Is it a big canvas with "bye bye ccfc" written on it?

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
As someone who's been to the Ricoh this evening and met with and heard Nick Eastwood speaking; you're wrong. It may not be a deal that suits CCFC - that's clear, but it is part of a bigger picture that you're unaware of
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torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #143
More pro council bullshit to be lapped up by the masses.

Ian1779 said:
Enighten us then....
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Ian1779

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #144
What would you expect them to say when setting out their vision.... 'you're all a bunch of 6 fingered, ham fisted cunts'?

Telling people what you are going to do and actually then doing it are not quite the same. Think we've all seen that in practice in this scenario
 
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MichaelCCFC

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #145
Grendel said:
I know its hilarious. All of a sudden in July someone phoned the old croak out of the blue and deal done quicker than it takes to deliver a bed from John Lewis.

There really are some thick idiots on here.

Perhaps legal tony printed the new lease off for the deal to happen so quick.
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With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
 
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Ian1779

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #146
Irony alert - see above.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #147
Ian1779 said:
Enighten us then....
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Why should I? I'm not being contrite here, but every fecker claims they know what's happening anyway - so my should I sit here and convince folk who have already made up their minds with the voices in their heads in any case? If I'm being honest, the football club was barely mentioned. It's all about egg-chasing
 
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MichaelCCFC

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #148
torchomatic said:
More pro council bullshit to be lapped up by the masses.
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Sorry to say, Torch, but reading your posts makes me comment the same as with Grendel - With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #149
Repeat - Irony alert - see above.
 
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MichaelCCFC

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #150
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Why should I? I'm not being contrite here, but every fecker claims they know what's happening anyway - so my should I sit here and convince folk who have already made up their minds with the voices in their heads in any case? If I'm being honest, the football club was barely mentioned. It's all about egg-chasing
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I'd be very interested to hear how this is going to help Cov RFC.
 

torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #151
You do make me laugh, Michael. Quite rich after some of the stuff you've come out with. I'm sure you'll be copying and pasting that little spiel to a few others. Or maybe not.

MichaelCCFC said:
Sorry to say, Torch, but reading your posts makes me comment the same as with Grendel - With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
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covmark

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #152
MichaelCCFC said:
Sorry to say, Torch, but reading your posts makes me comment the same as with Grendel - With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
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It's funny, you never seem to jump in when the likes of spider-ricoh are on here, declaring this situation a victory against Sisu.

Fans sticking together, my arse.
 

torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #153
What else matters, eh?
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's all about egg-chasing
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torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #154
Absolutely, hence my reply. I wonder if spider ricoh and italia will get the same treatment?
covmark said:
It's funny, you never seem to jump in when the likes of spider-ricoh are on here, declaring this situation a victory against Sisu.

Fans sticking together, my arse.
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MichaelCCFC

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #155
torchomatic said:
You do make me laugh, Michael. Quite rich after some of the stuff you've come out with. I'm sure you'll be copying and pasting that little spiel to a few others. Or maybe not.
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Posters like you and Covmark are intent in pigeonholing me (and others). You don't seem to be able to cope with the idea I criticise sisu and I criticise the council and have been clear the wasps deal is a disaster for us - you may not mean it but you seem really happy now in being able to lay into the council (quite rightly) but not caring about the state ccfc is in or doing anything about it
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #156
MichaelCCFC said:
Posters like you and Covmark are intent in pigeonholing me (and others). You don't seem to be able to cope with the idea I criticise sisu and I criticise the council and have been clear the wasps deal is a disaster for us - you may not mean it but you seem really happy now in being able to lay into the council (quite rightly) but not caring about the state ccfc is in or doing anything about it
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Michael you never said a word about the council until Wasps turned up.

Where was your looking at the bigger picture?
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #157
MichaelCCFC said:
I'd be very interested to hear how this is going to help Cov RFC.
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Dai Young is meeting with Scott Morgan this week to start work on joint player development. Peter Rossborough was representing CRFC, and 44 of the other 46 local clubs also sent attendees or delegations.

At the moment, all local talent (Coventry, Warwickshire) is routed via Worcester, of course. This ends in 2016. After this, it's fair to expect Wasps to pitch hard for it - and I'd guess they'll be successful. At that point, it's fair to say all local talent, rather than going to Worcester, will stay in Coventry via the Wasps-Coventry partnership. In that regards, it's very much a positive, I guess.

Wasps have stated that their preferred slot will be Sundays at 2pm; and CRFC will be Saturday at 3pm; so no fixturing clash
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #158
So lets say that on day 1 that SISU took over the asking price for 50% or 100% of ACL was way too high.

What do you think would have happened if on day 1 SISU had said we need to own the ground to secure the future of the club and enable us to be competitive? They could have said the value we've been given is high, we are going to ask for an independent valuation and will make an offer based on that.

In my opinion, at that point, they would have had the full support of the vast majority of the fanbase and there would have been a lot of pressure on CCC and Higgs to at least justify the asking price.

The longer they left it the harder it became to unite the fans behind them. By the time they were messing about with rent strikes and buggering off to Northampton it was practically impossible to get behind them. Whatever way I look at it, and however badly every other side has behaved - and theres been some poor behaviour on all sides to say the least, I keep coming back to the way SISU have handled the whole situation.

Even right before the vote they could have come out and said we need to own ACL, this needs to be stopped. After all that has happened even then I think they would have got a decent amount of support for that but instead we just got no problem, new ground etc etc.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #159
Totally inaccurate. The opposite is true. CCFC is all I care about. Dont give a shit about sisu, acl, wasps, ccc, higgs.

Thats why i've always wanted us to get a share of the ricoh. I've not seen you criticise the council before.

MichaelCCFC said:
Posters like you and Covmark are intent in pigeonholing me (and others). You don't seem to be able to cope with the idea I criticise sisu and I criticise the council and have been clear the wasps deal is a disaster for us - you may not mean it but you seem really happy now in being able to lay into the council (quite rightly) but not caring about the state ccfc is in or doing anything about it
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #160
MMM, was it all about rugby or was there any info on any plans for the training centre? Or anything else that benefits the city?
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #161
Ian1779 said:
Michael you never said a word about the council until Wasps turned up.

Where was your looking at the bigger picture?
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Errrr...you'll find plenty of stuff from me going back to 2012 questioning why acl never made a profit net of ccfc rent, questioning the council's motives, arguing neither sisu nor ccc care about ccfc or the fans. I don't share your blinkered view so you have to make stuff up. So the same question goes for you - what are you going to do to fight for CCFC?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #162
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Dai Young is meeting with Scott Morgan this week to start work on joint player development. Peter Rossborough was representing CRFC, and 44 of the other 46 local clubs also sent attendees or delegations.

At the moment, all talent is routed via Worcester, of course. This ends in 2016. After this, it's fair to expect Wasps to pitch hard for it - and I'd guess they'll be successful. At that point, it' fair to say all local talent, rather than going to Worcester, will stay in Coventry via the Wasps-Coventry partnership. In that regards, it's very much a positive, I guess.

Wasps have stated that their preferred slot will be Sundays at 2pm; and CRFC will be Saturday at 3pm; so no fixturing clash
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Be under no illusions though that CRFC is intended to permanently be the small relation of Wasps. Exporting the city's best prospects to clubs not based there or clubs imported from elsewhere.
 
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MichaelCCFC

New Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #163
torchomatic said:
Totally inaccurate. The opposite is true. CCFC is all I care about. Dont give a shit about sisu, acl, wasps, ccc, higgs.

Thats why i've always wanted us to get a share of the ricoh. I've not seen you criticise the council before.
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Errrr...you'll find plenty of stuff from me going back to 2012 questioning why acl never made a profit net of ccfc rent, questioning the council's motives, arguing neither sisu nor ccc care about ccfc or the fans. I don't share your blinkered view so you have to make stuff up. But the key question for you is what are you going to do to fight for CCFC?
 

torchomatic

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #164
I'm more interested in what Lucas said. The gurantees tgat us and the rugby club will not suffer because ofvthe franchise.

chiefdave said:
MMM, was it all about rugby or was there any info on any plans for the training centre? Or anything else that benefits the city?
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MichaelCCFC

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #165
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Be under no illusions though that CRFC is intended to permanently be the small relation of Wasps. Exporting the city's best prospects to clubs not based there or clubs imported from elsewhere.
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MMM's interpretation is ludicrous.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #166
chiefdave said:
MMM, was it all about rugby or was there any info on any plans for the training centre? Or anything else that benefits the city?
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Nearly all about chasing eggs. In fairness, it was all cabbage-heads there, so no real reason to address the round ball.

Training will move up here in 2016 and stay in West London until then; they're looking at sites to build with the council now. Got me wondering at to whether it might be Ryton if Fisher's My Little Pony Stadium has a training pitch on one of the clouds that can be used on the days the unicorns aren't using it......
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #167
torchomatic said:
Totally inaccurate. The opposite is true. CCFC is all I care about. Dont give a shit about sisu, acl, wasps, ccc, higgs.

Thats why i've always wanted us to get a share of the ricoh. I've not seen you criticise the council before.
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SISU temporary, CCFC permanent. Shame the council couldn't see it that way. Shady businessmen representing London Wasps though, nowt wrong with them...if only we had negotiated for this years ago instead of jumping to Plan B of who can bankrupt who first.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #168
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Dai Young is meeting with Scott Morgan this week to start work on joint player development. Peter Rossborough was representing CRFC, and 44 of the other 46 local clubs also sent attendees or delegations.

At the moment, all local talent (Coventry, Warwickshire) is routed via Worcester, of course. This ends in 2016. After this, it's fair to expect Wasps to pitch hard for it - and I'd guess they'll be successful. At that point, it's fair to say all local talent, rather than going to Worcester, will stay in Coventry via the Wasps-Coventry partnership. In that regards, it's very much a positive, I guess.

Wasps have stated that their preferred slot will be Sundays at 2pm; and CRFC will be Saturday at 3pm; so no fixturing clash
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Whilst I commend Nick Eastwood for trying to engage the local Rugby community, I still feel its like the big boys entertaining the local yokels, as its something they feel they have to do, just another tick in a box.

Whether that is the case or not, I hope they fail badly. We already have local Rugby teams in the area, who have long been established, without some London club muscling in for a piece of the action. Many may disagree but I really would love to see them fail, and do a double deal and bugger off with SISU.
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #169
MichaelCCFC said:
Posters like you and Covmark are intent in pigeonholing me (and others). You don't seem to be able to cope with the idea I criticise sisu and I criticise the council and have been clear the wasps deal is a disaster for us - you may not mean it but you seem really happy now in being able to lay into the council (quite rightly) but not caring about the state ccfc is in or doing anything about it
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Who's happy, really? The ones who are happy are spider-ricoh et al. Not me that's for sure.

I thought it was worth pointing out that you're all too quick to jump on a grendel or torch post. Less so for anyone else. Why is that?
 

cloughie

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #170
torchomatic said:
Totally inaccurate. The opposite is true. CCFC is all I care about. Dont give a shit about sisu, acl, wasps, ccc, higgs.

Thats why i've always wanted us to get a share of the ricoh. I've not seen you criticise the council before.
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Perhaps you should read more posts ........but that would be difficult considering the amount of hot air you spout
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #171
You seem to forget that you broadcast your blinkered view with your regular KCiC mailings. And i still don't recall any criticism of the council.

MichaelCCFC said:
Errrr...you'll find plenty of stuff from me going back to 2012 questioning why acl never made a profit net of ccfc rent, questioning the council's motives, arguing neither sisu nor ccc care about ccfc or the fans. I don't share your blinkered view so you have to make stuff up. So the same question goes for you - what are you going to do to fight for CCFC?
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #172
MichaelCCFC said:
MMM's interpretation is ludicrous.
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Inclined to agree. Cov Rugby being set up to be Wasps' feeder club with Wasps owning a far bigger stadium makes it unlikely that the former will scale any significant heights and even if it somehow does Wasps own the biggest and best ground in the city. The council's contempt for its own city's sports clubs is astonishing.
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #173
Moff said:
Whilst I commend Nick Eastwood for trying to engage the local Rugby community, I still feel its like the big boys entertaining the local yokels, as its something they feel they have to do, just another tick in a box.

Whether that is the case or not, I hope they fail badly. We already have local Rugby teams in the area, who have long been established, without some London club muscling in for a piece of the action. Many may disagree but I really would love to see them fail, and do a double deal and bugger off with SISU.
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Couldn't agree more. Fingers crossed, they go to the wall.
 

Ian1779

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  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #174
MichaelCCFC said:
Errrr...you'll find plenty of stuff from me going back to 2012 questioning why acl never made a profit net of ccfc rent, questioning the council's motives, arguing neither sisu nor ccc care about ccfc or the fans. I don't share your blinkered view so you have to make stuff up. So the same question goes for you - what are you going to do to fight for CCFC?
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2012? Before the dispute even began... right then.

As for what I am going to do to fight for CCFC - I'll do what most fans should do in my opinion. I will go to every game I can, I will support my club irrespective of owner, manager, players or league we ply our trade in.

If we have to build a new ground and we do - I will go. I won't hide behind any excuses about location or owner or anything else. I won't bang on about how long i've supported CCFC for as if it gives me some hereditary right to consider myself a more superior supporter.

Whether you percieve that as being a good fan or not is of no concern to me. People might pander to your bullshit but I won't. I respect your commitment to CCFC but seriously disagree with your motive and agenda.
 
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Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 11, 2014
  • #175
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Be under no illusions though that CRFC is intended to permanently be the small relation of Wasps. Exporting the city's best prospects to clubs not based there or clubs imported from elsewhere.
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The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
 
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