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Wasps deal is for 100% of ACL (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Oct 6, 2014
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #71
wingy said:
I'm Rigid
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At this hour?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #72
Gynnsthetonic said:
Ideally for me SISU realise they are on a no winner and sell, for a minimum price and new owners come in and council accommodate CCFC in a new stadium built near the city centre, FuCk the Ricoh been a disaster from day 1.
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The Ricoh will always be our home unless Sisu decide otherwise.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #73
Nick said:
So the money has stayed the same but the % has gone up? I like their style?

Is there much difference between 250 years and Freehold?
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ACL pay rent for the complex to CCC
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #74
CCFC said:
Disaster.

The Ricoh Arena was built for Coventry City.

We can only hope that the person behind the bid pulls off his rubber mask to reveal Tim Fisher.

How the council can justify selling the city's football stadium is beyond me, now everyone can see their true colours but some will still defend them.
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People keep saying the stadium is for sale.
It's not for sale , all that is on offer is ACL, i.e. the management structure that runs the complex.

Also, the stadium was built for Coventry City but they , via SISU, don't want it apparently.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #75
If it is 250 years it is near enough it isn't it?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #76
italiahorse said:
People keep saying the stadium is for sale.
It's not for sale , all that is on offer is ACL, i.e. the management structure that runs the complex.
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No - 250 years is effectively saying have the freehold.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #77
Grendel said:
No - 250 years is effectively saying have the freehold.
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Just like the 50 years we had before Sisu broke the lease ?
How long do these structures last ? 50 Years?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #78
italiahorse said:
ACL pay rent for the complex to CCC
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I don't believe they do, I believe that was the £21m upfront payment so they don't pay on going rent.


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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #79
italiahorse said:
Just like the 50 years we had before Sisu broke the lease ?
How long do these structures last ? 50 Years?
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We didn't have it, acl had it didn't they?-
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #80
italiahorse said:
Just like the 50 years we had before Sisu broke the lease ?
How long do these structures last ? 50 Years?
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Nothing like the 50 years we had before we broke the lease.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #81
italiahorse said:
Just like the 50 years we had before Sisu broke the lease ?
How long do these structures last ? 50 Years?
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The tenant broke the lease - not the leaseholder - the original lease was still there for ACL. What are you on about?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #82
Grendel said:
There is something to stop them - a small matter that's its being done today. - oh and this was a bid they were excluded from. The offer of a 250 year lease was never made.
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SISU have not and could not be excluded from making a bid. CCC would have to let it go to the highest bidder. So what is your excuse for Joy saying that she isn't interested in what you try to say that she was excluded from?

If SISU would ever had negotiated they might have got what they wanted. But they wanted what they never tried to get other than messing everyone involved about.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #83
Grendel said:
The tenant broke the lease - not the leaseholder - the original lease was still there for ACL. What are you on about?
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I thought CCFC were tied in for 50 years ?
Bit early really. More coffee ...... I'll be back
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #84
stupot07 said:
Nothing like the 50 years we had before we broke the lease.


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Yes WE broke the lease. And never tried to get another one. And are still saying that we don't want another one. Yet it is the fault of CCC for not giving our club another lease?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #85
When does the compass deal run through to
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #86
Astute said:
Yes WE broke the lease. And never tried to get another one. And are still saying that we don't want another one. Yet it is the fault of CCC for not giving our club another lease?
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Is wasn't a leasehold, it was a rental agreement with ACL, not a leasehold for the stadium.

50 x £1.3m = £65m for 25-28 days use, an office and a shop.

£19.5m for the whole complex for 250 years.




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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #87
stupot07 said:
Is wasn't a leasehold, it was a rental agreement with ACL, not a leasehold for the stadium.

50 x £1.3m = £65m for 25-28 days use, an office and a shop.

£19.5m for the whole complex for 250 years.




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Correct he is getting mixed up between the two deals.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #88
stupot07 said:
Is wasn't a leasehold, it was a rental agreement with ACL, not a leasehold for the stadium.

50 x £1.3m = £65m for 25-28 days use, an office and a shop.

£19.5m for the whole complex for 250 years.




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It shows what you can get when you negotiate sensibly.
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #89
stupot07 said:
Is wasn't a leasehold, it was a rental agreement with ACL, not a leasehold for the stadium.

50 x £1.3m = £65m for 25-28 days use, an office and a shop.

£19.5m for the whole complex for 250 years.
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So why didn't SISU buy at that price?

Last night Fisher was saying the existing contracts were a block to profitability, therefore couldn't/wouldn't buy Ricoh.

Also I would expect wasps to take responsibility for the £14.4m loan.

Waiting for Simon to dig up a few more facts, I'd hope something more comes out this afternoon after the council meeting.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #90
Jack Griffin said:
So why didn't SISU buy at that price?

Last night Fisher was saying the existing contracts were a block to profitability, therefore couldn't/wouldn't buy Ricoh.

Also I would expect wasps to take responsibility for the £14.4m loan.

Waiting for Simon to dig up a few more facts, I'd hope something more comes out this afternoon after the council meeting.
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You'd be better off following Les Reid, seems much more on the ball.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #91
Sick Boy said:
You'd be better off following Les Reid, seems much more on the ball.
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He was certainly right about the smoking gun :facepalm:
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #92
Astute said:
He was certainly right about the smoking gun :facepalm:
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Seems it shot the editor. Allegedly
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #93
He seems to have access to a lot more information that Gilbert.

Do you think ccc are now as bad as sisu?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #94
Four words. Four words and a pretty piss-poor excuse if ever I’ve seen one.

“There wasn't any plan for us to try and tempt another club away from their local community for our financial gain. We are simply helping a fellow football club at their request.”

That was Cardoza, he was simply helping us out as we needed a home.

Astute said:
Wasps need a home. e isn't interested in the arena.
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #95
Sick Boy said:
He seems to have access to a lot more information that Gilbert.

Do you think ccc are now as bad as sisu?
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All his information was shown previously to be wrong although it made some think the JR was going to go the way of SISU.

CCC are not as bad as SISU. Only a joker would say so. How many times did they try to sort things just to find out that Joy was taking the piss? CCC have always said that the door was open for negotiations. Negotiations that SISU never took up. Just like this new ground they keep going on about.

I am not happy with what CCC have done with the lease to Wasps. But how many more years were they supposed to put up with shit from Joy and Fisher in the hope that things would change at our club. Thoroughly pissed off with the lot of them. There had better be a plan for our club that we don't know about. Otherwise the lot of them need shooting.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #96
torchomatic said:
Four words. Four words and a pretty piss-poor excuse if ever I’ve seen one.

“There wasn't any plan for us to try and tempt another club away from their local community for our financial gain. We are simply helping a fellow football club at their request.”

That was Cardoza, he was simply helping us out as we needed a home.
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So easy to pick part of one line out and take it out of context isn't it Torch.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #97
Astute said:
So easy to pick part of one line out and take it out of context isn't it Torch.
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Do you think it is right for wasps to move 100 miles to Coventry, away from their fan base?


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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #98
Out of context? No, because I would never ever type "Wasps need a home", well apart from just then.

If they need a home then find one in London. You, CCC and Cardoza are a right little Band of Brothers, aren't you?

Astute said:
So easy to pick part of one line out and take it out of context isn't it Torch.
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #99
Well that's pretty much full ownership with a 250 year lease.

- how much is being paid for such a lease extension?
- I would assume that in the event of failure then the lease reverts to the freeholder - CCC
- It could allow Wasps to offer a long lease (eg 100yrs) to other tenants like CCFC
- 19.5m seems cheap considering the length of lease etc
- how does this work with the finances that Wasps have?
- Was this on offer to any/all potential interested parties
- Why is it SISU still wont say they are interested?
- where are the proper details?
- Why is it the only tool that CCFC seem to have in this is the fans - is that all they have?

Stepping back I can see the need for a long lease but 250yrs seems an odd one. If ACL is so profitable why sell it? Why not extend the lease of ACL, not sell up and bring both Wasps and CCFC in on long leases with rights to incomes - because lets face it neither club seems well founded financially. It just seems to me frying pan in to fire choosing between the finances of either

Just seems to be questions after questions with no detail or facts coming back
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #100
Just need the cet to do some digging
 

Mr T - Sukka!

Active Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #101
All this is down to SISU and their masterplan of a rent strike and taking ACL to court.

They gambled and lost in spectacular way. They thought they were the only show in town.

And moving away would cause ACL stress.

They lost big time.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #102
That's that then.

Nick said:
Just need the cet to do some digging
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The Prefect

Active Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #103
oldskyblue58 said:
Why not extend the lease of ACL, not sell up and bring both Wasps and CCFC in on long leases with rights to incomes
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Can't be done as rights to some of the 'other' income are contracted out to third parties. In order to get full rights, any buyer of ACL will have to deal with Compass.
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #104
Rumour is that Wasps have got JLR lined up to sponsor the stadium.. could be nonsense, we we'll have to wait & see if it happens.
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #105
No, with the tag-team combination of SISU, ACL and CCC I think you'll find we did.

Mr T - Sukka! said:
They lost big time.
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