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Captain Dart

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #1,436
If Rugby kills itself I won't be shedding any tears.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #1,437
Losing at the moment in front of their big crowd shows it’s not just our players freeze in front of big crowds at the ricoh
 

Nick

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #1,438
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Losing at the moment in front of their big crowd shows it’s not just our players freeze in front of big crowds at the ricoh
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It's probably the same people turning up for the bandwagon.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #1,439
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Losing at the moment in front of their big crowd shows it’s not just our players freeze in front of big crowds at the ricoh
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Tbf they're pretty shite in front of small crowds too.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 28, 2018
  • #1,440
Noticed on the Telegraph site that since Wasps took over the Ricoh the council have decide to become concert promoters and put on events there. Article says the council lost money due to poor sales but can't say how much - would have thought that they'd have accountants that could give them that sort of information.

Sure its just coincidence and nothing to do with funneling money in to ACL to prop up Wasps.
 
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Nick

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  • Dec 28, 2018
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I did read that, it's a bit random that the council are funding concerts at the Ricoh and making a loss on them.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Dec 28, 2018
  • #1,442
chiefdave said:
Noticed on the Telegraph site that since Wasps took over the Ricoh the council have decide to become concert promoters and put on events there. Article says the council lost money due to poor sales but can't say how much - would have thought that they'd have accountants that could give them that sort of information.

Sure its just coincidence and nothing to do with funneling money in to ACL to prop up Wasps.
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Is it can’t say how much or don’t want to say how much
 
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pastythegreat

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  • Dec 28, 2018
  • #1,443
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Is it can’t say how much or don’t want to say how much
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Surely if somebody quoted them the freedom of information act they'd have to give details anyway? I'm not sure how the FOI thing works? Surely it's to cover things like situations such as these?!

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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Dec 28, 2018
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pastythegreat said:
Surely if somebody quoted them the freedom of information act they'd have to give details anyway? I'm not sure how the FOI thing works? Surely it's to cover things like situations such as these?!

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The telegraph wont ask them as they are all in the same bed
 

pastythegreat

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  • Dec 28, 2018
  • #1,445
Terry Gibson's perm said:
The telegraph wont ask them as they are all in the same bed
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Good point

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oldfiver

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  • Jan 13, 2019
  • #1,446
oldskyblue58 said:
Going to get messy then. Will be interesting to see how quickly it gets dealt with.

Hard to see how they can stop a private company from selling its own shares to who they want when all the shareholders agree to the sale.

What are they challenging exactly? The whole deal to sell or elements of it? And on what basis?

Does the deal stop promotion from the championship? Who is funding the legal action? Are the RFU involved in the action? Funding the legals I would think will be key, the premiership teams would seem better placed in that respect

Won't be wasps in court over this one though will it . It will be premier rugby limited (I think that's the right name?)
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UPDATE

Championship clubs consider legal action if Premiership ends relegation | Daily Mail Online

But at least WASPS have an insider to help their corner

Team - Oakwell Capital
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jan 14, 2019
  • #1,447
Noticed Coventry are one of the teams suing, wonder how wasps will feel about that one.

Will they probably work towards destroying them too?
 
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djbooth

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,448
I have a question I have seen that the bond price has raised and still raising over the last few weeks. If their finances were bad iwould it not fall?? I know they wil get the cvc money but they have the training ground to pay for and their ever increasing debt. Why is it raising???

Thanks in advance
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,449
djbooth said:
I have a question I have seen that the bond price has raised and still raising over the last few weeks. If their finances were bad iwould it not fall?? I know they wil get the cvc money but they have the training ground to pay for and their ever increasing debt. Why is it raising???

Thanks in advance
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Got some Bonds have you?
 

Nick

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,450
How to make yourself blatantly obvious for dummies looks to have been selling well.
 
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djbooth

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  • Jan 23, 2019
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Grendel said:
Got some Bonds have you?
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No. I’m tempted to invest in a big can of raid.

I just thought it was strange thou. If they are in shite.I thought the bond price would reflect it
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,452
djbooth said:
No. I’m tempted to invest in a big can of raid.

I just thought it was strange thou. If they are in shite.I thought the bond price would reflect it
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It’s 6% below the issue price isn’t it?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,453
Grendel said:
It’s 6% below the issue price isn’t it?
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It isn't an ordinary bond and not ordinary bond holders. Nothing to say Richardson himself hasn't bought a load of them
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,454
fernandopartridge said:
It isn't an ordinary bond and not ordinary bond holders. Nothing to say Richardson himself hasn't bought a load of them
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Yes I’ve always wondered how many are owned by Moonstone
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,455
Grendel said:
Yes I’ve always wondered how many are owned by Moonstone
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The way the bond holders waved through the amendments asking for nothing in return when their accounting 'mistakes' were spotted shows the majority aren't regular investors. If they were they would have wanted something back, Wasps were over a barrel and couldn't have said no to demands for improved terms.
 
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djbooth

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,456
What would happen if it was sisu buying them.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 23, 2019
  • #1,457
djbooth said:
What would happen if it was sisu buying them.
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The same in that scenario
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jan 24, 2019
  • #1,458
djbooth said:
What would happen if it was sisu buying them.
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Well if they drop to 90p it might be worth it. :emoji_smiley:
In fact maybe that is the reason for the litigation, to depress the price.

PS To answer djbooth the I presume the recent upturn in bond selling price is due to the Rugby Premiership deal with CVC Capital Partners (another hedge fund?)
Premiership Rugby: Minority shareholding sold to CVC Capital Partners for £200m
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,459
Wasps Bonds
 

Nick

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,460
Even a thread where Wasps fans are worried by it!
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,461
Nick said:
Even a thread where Wasps fans are worried by it!
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Where are you looking?
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,462
lordsummerisle said:
Wasps Bonds
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"Nothing to see here, everything is fine, we don't need the money the football club generates as everything is fantastic. We're the richest club in Europe. Not long until every game is sold out"
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,463
You don't even need to look at the accounts to know its bad news. The fact that its quietly slipped out rather than announced with an article in the Telegraph tells you all you need to know.
 
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Nick

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,464
Liquid Gold said:
Where are you looking?
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DrunkenWasps.com - 2018 Wasps financials ouch
 

Joy Division

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,465
lordsummerisle said:
Wasps Bonds
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They are listing their average attendance as 19,210 as of December 2018, this seems a lot higher than it should be? I know the Christmas 'sell out' game would have boosted the average but I'm sure it would be more around the 17,000 mark.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,466
Joy Division said:
They are listing their average attendance as 19,210 as of December 2018, this seems a lot higher than it should be? I know the Christmas 'sell out' game would have boosted the average but I'm sure it would be more around the 17,000 mark.
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It does say "attendance" not "sales"
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,467
chiefdave said:
You don't even need to look at the accounts to know its bad news. The fact that its quietly slipped out rather than announced with an article in the Telegraph tells you all you need to know.
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I don't get how the Ricoh has gone up 7x in value since they bought it?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,468
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Noticed Coventry are one of the teams suing, wonder how wasps will feel about that one.

Will they probably work towards destroying them too?
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Don't be daft it's the city of rugby
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,469
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I don't get how the Ricoh has gone up 7x in value since they bought it?
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You might also wonder why the valuation always rises just the right amount to enable them to meet the terms of the bonds.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 27, 2019
  • #1,470
chiefdave said:
You might also wonder why the valuation always rises just the right amount to enable them to meet the terms of the bonds.
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The more optimistic hope that the club will be replaced with 23 concerts worth £10m
 
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