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Wasps & Council conspire again (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Sep 21, 2016
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #36
chiefdave said:
What sort of acreage was it?
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20 acres - say net 15/16 acres developable
£1m per acre with pp?
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #37
oldfiver said:
20 acres - say net 15/16 acres developable
£1m per acre with pp?
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Bit of quick googling shows your in the right ballpark there which implies at that price its been sold by Severn Trent on the basis of it being green belt and not useable for development.
 
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lapsed_skyblue

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #38
chiefdave said:
Bit of quick googling shows your in the right ballpark there which implies at that price its been sold by Severn Trent on the basis of it being green belt and not useable for development.
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But could the have put a condition on the sale that if planning permission was granted that they would get a share of the valuation jump? It would seem a sensible precaution that would not (yet) show up in the sale price, especially as they had already attempted to get planning permission.
With land development when it comes to planning permission "yes" means "yes" but "no" means not yet or not as the application is currently presented.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #39
lapsed_skyblue said:
"no" means not yet or not as the application is currently presented.
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or not until Wasps apply
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #40
http://www.coventry.gov.uk/downloads/file/21238/lp174_statement_of_common_ground_oxalis
 
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lapsed_skyblue

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #41
chiefdave said:
or not until Wasps apply
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But did Wasps put in exactly the same application as STW? Maybe they reduced the overall number of houses, increased the percentage of affordable houses, chucked in a road, school, public toilet...
Councils are under increasing pressure to approve more housing and a minor change might just tip the balance, especially if they think that an appeal to the Government Inspector could well succeed anyway.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #42
lapsed_skyblue said:
But did Wasps put in exactly the same application as STW? Maybe they reduced the overall number of houses, the percentage of affordable houses, chucked in a road, school, public toilet...
Councils are under increasing pressure to approve more housing and a minor change might just tip the balance, especially if they think that an appeal to the Government Inspector could well succeed anyway.
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You would have thought the planning officer would have worked with them to get it through if that was the case? You know, like how they advise Wasps?
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #43
Hopefully Les is on the blower to Severn Trent as we speak.....

Go on Les....
 
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oldfiver

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #44
chiefdave said:
or not until Wasps apply
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http://www.coventry.gov.uk/download...presentation_letter_-_london_rd_-_070716_revb
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #45
lapsed_skyblue said:
But did Wasps put in exactly the same application as STW? Maybe they reduced the overall number of houses, increased the percentage of affordable houses, chucked in a road, school, public toilet...
Councils are under increasing pressure to approve more housing and a minor change might just tip the balance, especially if they think that an appeal to the Government Inspector could well succeed anyway.
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Even things like increasing the amount of social housing can turn it.
 

Rusty Trombone

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #46
Link to STW planning application that was approved. The STW land must be smaller than the total site that Wasps have plans for, so presumably they must be buying, or have already bought, more land to get 240 properties on.
http://planning.coventry.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=710787
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #47
Rusty Trombone said:
Link to STW planning application that was approved. The STW land must be smaller than the total site that Wasps have plans for, so presumably they must be buying, or have already bought, more land to get 240 properties on.
http://planning.coventry.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=710787
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Who owns the surrounding land?
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #48
wingy said:
Roughly £100K to build a 4bed. detached.
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Houses built on mass can be built for a lot cheaper than that
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #49
Nick said:
Who owns the surrounding land?
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Wouldn't come as a huge shock if it was CCC of one of the usual suspects.
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #50
fernandopartridge said:
Read an article that stated a margin of 7% for a small house-builder and 11.7% for a large one, though read elsewhere that Barratts were looking at 40%. Though once permission is granted you might see Wasps sell the land on to an actual house-builder. I have no idea how much it would cost to build an estate of 240 houses including all the infrastructure work required (no doubt CCC will find something to help this part).
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As I just replied to someone mate, houses can be built cheaply these days. They can go up in just a few weeks, just ask Longboy how quick it takes to lay bricks and the roof structures come practically made, it's astonishing. My uncle has a decorating business and they have a machine where they can blanket paint a 5 bed house in a day ready as a blank canvas for people moving in. The same for skimming too, machines to do that which cuts down on such a lot of time.

I'm sure the council will try to help them. Taking the emotion out of it, as a builder, I am happy the council are helping to get projects like this off the ground. The city needs housing and if it was Joe Bloggs applying to build 240 houses I'm sure it wouldn't get a mention on here. For Wasps it makes good sense and yet another annoyance about our owners inability to even build bridges to sort our future out.
 
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Rusty Trombone

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  • Sep 22, 2016
  • #51
Nick said:
Who owns the surrounding land?
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According to one of the old documents STW do or did.

'The wider area of land around the application site, which is in the ownership of the applicant, would be made available to the City Council as open space and the area of land running along the river corridor would be retained for nature conservation'.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #52
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/senior-wasps-figures-buy-proposed-11925359
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #53
The Gentleman said:
As I just replied to someone mate, houses can be built cheaply these days. They can go up in just a few weeks, just ask Longboy how quick it takes to lay bricks and the roof structures come practically made, it's astonishing. My uncle has a decorating business and they have a machine where they can blanket paint a 5 bed house in a day ready as a blank canvas for people moving in. The same for skimming too, machines to do that which cuts down on such a lot of time.

I'm sure the council will try to help them. Taking the emotion out of it, as a builder, I am happy the council are helping to get projects like this off the ground. The city needs housing and if it was Joe Bloggs applying to build 240 houses I'm sure it wouldn't get a mention on here. For Wasps it makes good sense and yet another annoyance about our owners inability to even build bridges to sort our future out.
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I agree with you. Despite my absolute opposition to Wasps, they have played the game with the council, and seem to be doing things that meets theirs (and the council's) mutual objectives. SISU's lack of imagination beyond court cases looks amateur in comparison.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #54
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/agents-working-sisu-company-secret-11926782
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #55
fernandopartridge said:
I agree with you. Despite my absolute opposition to Wasps, they have played the game with the council, and seem to be doing things that meets theirs (and the council's) mutual objectives. SISU's lack of imagination beyond court cases looks amateur in comparison.
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It doesn't look amateur it is!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #56
Captain Dart said:
It doesn't look amateur it is!
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Yes, fair point.
 

ccfcway

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #57
fernandopartridge said:
I agree with you. Despite my absolute opposition to Wasps, they have played the game with the council, and seem to be doing things that meets theirs (and the council's) mutual objectives. SISU's lack of imagination beyond court cases looks amateur in comparison.
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don't sisu have the training ground up for sale, helping Rugby council needs for housing and them realising an asset, which is meeting mutual objectives ?
 
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tim07

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #58
chiefdave said:
moved it to the other thread as people were talking about it in there.

Sure its just another coincidence that Wasps who, according to their owner Richardson, aren't interested in property development 'I’m not a property developer, I’ve never developed anything in my life. I’ve never thought of this as something I might make profit from.' are now moving into property development.

Building on green belt land no less that requires CCC to change the city plan. Wonder if they purchased the land at a price reflecting the restrictions in place or a price appropriate to a site being developed for housing?

Seem to recall when we were talking about a stadium within the city boundary many were saying it was impossible if it wasn't in the city plan as that couldn't be changed.

How much more evidence do people need that the council and Wasps are working hand in hand?
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Er...that piece of land WAS included on the city plan

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chiefdave

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #59
tim07 said:
Er...that piece of land WAS included on the city plan
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Are you sure? Can't check the city plan at the moment.
The revelations follow negotiations with Coventry City Council over changing the ‘Local Plan’ blueprint for future development with a view to obtaining planning permission for the entire 240 homes plan, at the part Green Belt site off London Road/Allard Way.
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tim07

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #60
You'll find H2:9 on page 51. http://www.coventry.gov.uk/download...ked_changes_showing_proposed_minor_amendments

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chiefdave

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #61
tim07 said:
You'll find H2:9 on page 51. http://www.coventry.gov.uk/download...ked_changes_showing_proposed_minor_amendments
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H2:9 only covers part of the site Wasps are planning to build on.
 
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tim07

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #62
chiefdave said:
H2:9 only covers part of the site Wasps are planning to build on.
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Oh okay. H2:9 refers 200 houses. That seems to have risen to 240 since January. The Plan gets updated, it's hardly set in stone.


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rupert_bear

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  • Sep 24, 2016
  • #63
Councils all over the country are under orders in reality from central Government to find areas within its boundaries to build housing. About a year ago through my job I drove group of councillors all round the city to various spots at all points of the city. That didn't include Allard Way by the way. Couldn't give a shite now to be honest whether Wasps and CCC are hand in glove or not.
What I would be interested in though is apart from housing is there enough land at Allard Way to double what is there now plus room for housing, which may give the football club room to add what is required to have an all purpose training centre.
I was at the Bristol City Acadamy the weekend a superb set up, it's actually a Sports Acadamy including rugby, hockey, indoor facilities and has a small ground about the size of BPA floodlights, stands etc. where Bristol City ladies FC play, I would guess the whole site was double the Higgs site, would probably stretch from where the Acadamy is now down to the London Road.
The future perhaps ?
 
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skybluejelly

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  • Sep 24, 2016
  • #64
rupert_bear said:
Councils all over the country are under orders in reality from central Government to find areas within its boundaries to build housing. About a year ago through my job I drove group of councillors all round the city to various spots at all points of the city. That didn't include Allard Way by the way. Couldn't give a shite now to be honest whether Wasps and CCC are hand in glove or not.
What I would be interested in though is apart from housing is there enough land at Allard Way to double what is there now plus room for housing, which may give the football club room to add what is required to have an all purpose training centre.
I was at the Bristol City Acadamy the weekend a superb set up, it's actually a Sports Acadamy including rugby, hockey, indoor facilities and has a small ground about the size of BPA floodlights, stands etc. where Bristol City ladies FC play, I would guess the whole site was double the Higgs site, would probably stretch from where the Acadamy is now down to the London Road.
The future perhaps ?
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Do you drive a normal or bendy bus.?
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Sep 24, 2016
  • #65
skybluejelly said:
Do you drive a normal or bendy bus.?
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Councillors don't travel by bus, only in style and that includes me.
 
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tim07

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  • Sep 24, 2016
  • #66
This looks to be a dried up thread.
Started well enough with Wasps/CCC conspiracy to buy land and then sell it on for a profit, then someone whispered 'Ryton'


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clint van damme

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  • Sep 29, 2016
  • #67
Otis said:
It's a fair point and is often glossed over on here. I heard a few years back (within the council and within Higgs) that I simply wouldn't believe some of things about Sisu and how they conducted business. The words I heard were 'shocking' and 'unbelievable.'

I do understand a lot of the wrath around at the moment, 'why do this for Wasps but not for Sisu,' but this I do think is a big factor, that of Sisu with the batter people in court mentality and falling out with a number of organisations.

As with everything pretty much, it's not all just black and white.
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I've heard the same thing about the council from several sources.
 

Otis

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  • Sep 29, 2016
  • #68
clint van damme said:
I've heard the same thing about the council from several sources.
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Yeah, but isn't that throughout history rather than just the last 10 years?
 

clint van damme

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  • Sep 29, 2016
  • #69
Otis said:
Yeah, but isn't that throughout history rather than just the last 10 years?
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well I haven't been here for the whole of their history!
But yeah, people I know who run mainly SMEs and one through work which was with somebody from a large commercial property leasing company.
 
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